* Why should we teach students Linux??
@ 2007-03-05 16:16 Roel Bindels
2007-03-05 18:35 ` Jarmo
2007-03-07 5:06 ` [ubuntu-marketing] " Melissa Draper
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From: Roel Bindels @ 2007-03-05 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: netdev
Cc: linux-newbie, linux-fsdevel, arch, linux-users, linux-wlan-user,
ubuntu-marketing
Hello listers,
I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree
and we are preparing our students to become something more then just
System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc....). Since this
department is part of the Microsoft camp, the students are educated
mostly in this direction, which I think is not a bad thing. A better
thing would be if we could give our students the opportunity to meat
both the systems on the same level, at least, that is my opinion.
To change a curriculum of a study, I need a solid case. So if somebody
knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the
Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
I hope you will all take some time to send me your best links/documents.
with best regards
Roel Bindels
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* Re: Why should we teach students Linux??
2007-03-05 16:16 Why should we teach students Linux?? Roel Bindels
@ 2007-03-05 18:35 ` Jarmo
2007-03-05 20:21 ` Roel Bindels
2007-03-06 1:17 ` John Aspinall
2007-03-07 5:06 ` [ubuntu-marketing] " Melissa Draper
1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jarmo @ 2007-03-05 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-newbie
...
> knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the
> Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
To know your enemy?
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* Re: Why should we teach students Linux??
2007-03-05 18:35 ` Jarmo
@ 2007-03-05 20:21 ` Roel Bindels
2007-03-07 14:15 ` Hal
2007-03-06 1:17 ` John Aspinall
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From: Roel Bindels @ 2007-03-05 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-newbie
Jarmo schreef:
>
> ...
>> knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the
>> Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in
>> company's.
>
> To know your enemy?
please, ....'strong case' ....;)
>
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* Re: Why should we teach students Linux??
2007-03-05 20:21 ` Roel Bindels
@ 2007-03-07 14:15 ` Hal
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From: Hal @ 2007-03-07 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Roel Bindels; +Cc: linux-newbie
On 03-05, Roel Bindels wrote:
> Jarmo schreef:
> >
> > ...
> >> knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the
> >> Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in
> >> company's.
> >
> > To know your enemy?
> please, ....'strong case' ....;)
Watching the interesting replies I can only add that education is
about teaching individuals to THINK... Some Linux distributions do that; M$
never has and never will.. (I must admit though; that M$ encourages honing
our cuss words.. :^)..
Best of luck.
--
Hal GNU/Linux - Slackware 10.2, 2.4.31
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* Re: Why should we teach students Linux??
2007-03-05 18:35 ` Jarmo
2007-03-05 20:21 ` Roel Bindels
@ 2007-03-06 1:17 ` John Aspinall
2007-03-06 2:16 ` Tsai, Hong-Bin
2007-03-06 17:29 ` Roel Bindels
1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: John Aspinall @ 2007-03-06 1:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jarmo; +Cc: linux-newbie
Jarmo forwarded:
>> knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the
>> Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in
>> company's.
This is a completely meaningless question until we know what kind of
students. Elementary computer science? Operating system design?
Software business and marketing? Anthropology (like the recent survey
here)? Elementary school? High school? Undergraduate? Post-graduate?
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* Re: Why should we teach students Linux??
2007-03-06 1:17 ` John Aspinall
@ 2007-03-06 2:16 ` Tsai, Hong-Bin
2007-03-06 17:29 ` Roel Bindels
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From: Tsai, Hong-Bin @ 2007-03-06 2:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: John Aspinall; +Cc: Jarmo, linux-newbie
Well, I don't think it's meaningless, actually, it's quite serious and
important. M$ windows has dominated the OS market for long, and they
still do. The worst thing is, they keep their little secret in a black
box.
To kids in school, they have to know a world beyond M$ empire. It's an
open society that people can learn, share, and talk freely.
To CS students in college, they have to learn Operating System. Linux
(or say, UNIX-family) as an open box is a great material.
On 3/6/07, John Aspinall <jgaspinall@rcn.com> wrote:
> Jarmo forwarded:
>
> >> knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the
> >> Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in
> >> company's.
>
> This is a completely meaningless question until we know what kind of
> students. Elementary computer science? Operating system design?
> Software business and marketing? Anthropology (like the recent survey
> here)? Elementary school? High school? Undergraduate? Post-graduate?
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Hong-Bin
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* Re: Why should we teach students Linux??
2007-03-06 1:17 ` John Aspinall
2007-03-06 2:16 ` Tsai, Hong-Bin
@ 2007-03-06 17:29 ` Roel Bindels
2007-03-06 23:20 ` Linda Walsh
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From: Roel Bindels @ 2007-03-06 17:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-newbie
John Aspinall schreef:
> Jarmo forwarded:
>
>>> knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the
>>> Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in
>>> company's.
>
> This is a completely meaningless question until we know what kind of
> students. Elementary computer science? Operating system design?
> Software business and marketing? Anthropology (like the recent survey
> here)? Elementary school? High school? Undergraduate? Post-graduate?
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In my original post I explained this:
I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree
and we are preparing our students to become something more then just
System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc....).
(NID stands for Network Infrastructure Design.)
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* Re: Why should we teach students Linux??
2007-03-06 17:29 ` Roel Bindels
@ 2007-03-06 23:20 ` Linda Walsh
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From: Linda Walsh @ 2007-03-06 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Roel Bindels; +Cc: linux-newbie
How about instruction on how linux can be configured as a router
or firewall or invisible proxy...various network tasks?
Can also run various inexpensive network server functions:
samba(cifs/smb), squid(reduce network traffic or as accelerator
for websites)...tons of usages in a network. It's an all purpose
"swiss army knife". You can examine the various network layers,
support for various networked file systems. How can you setup
a small departmental cifs/smb/nfs and printer server with linux?
How about recreating "Google?" Don't they use linux to create their
portal/indexing? How to create a high-performance computing cluster
on your network?
Is that the type of stuff you are looking for?
-linda
Roel Bindels wrote:
>
> knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the
> Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in
> company's.
>
> In my original post I explained this:
> I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree
> and we are preparing our students to become something more then just
> System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc....).
>
> (NID stands for Network Infrastructure Design.)
>
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* Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Why should we teach students Linux??
2007-03-05 16:16 Why should we teach students Linux?? Roel Bindels
2007-03-05 18:35 ` Jarmo
@ 2007-03-07 5:06 ` Melissa Draper
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Melissa Draper @ 2007-03-07 5:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Roel Bindels
Cc: ubuntu-marketing, netdev, linux-wlan-user, arch, linux-fsdevel,
linux-users, linux-newbie, Richard Weideman, ubuntu-education
Roel Bindels wrote:
> Hello listers,
>
> I'm tutor on the Faculty ICT, department NID. This is a bachelor degree
> and we are preparing our students to become something more then just
> System Administrators (such as manager, consulting, etc....). Since this
> department is part of the Microsoft camp, the students are educated
> mostly in this direction, which I think is not a bad thing. A better
> thing would be if we could give our students the opportunity to meat
> both the systems on the same level, at least, that is my opinion.
>
> To change a curriculum of a study, I need a solid case. So if somebody
> knows a link/document about why we should educate our students in the
> Linux OS, please send it. Or article about the usage of Linux in company's.
>
> I hope you will all take some time to send me your best links/documents.
>
> with best regards
>
> Roel Bindels
>
Roel,
I recently interviewed Richard Weideman (who I am adding to the CC so he
can comment directly) for an article about Edubuntu. One of the comments
he made was:
"Kids who learn to use a computer from scratch are not afraid of
Linux or OpenOffice.org. They concentrate on the learning task at
hand, and they learn to use whatever the tool is put in front of
them. If some of those kids graduate to a work environment using
Linux or OpenOffice.org, they will have no problem. If the new work
environment uses Windows, they will adjust without any issues. Some
of them will even propose OpenOffice.org or Linux at work, and help
their new company to migrate and save money."
You can read the full article at
http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/20/197251
--
Sincerely
Melissa Draper
http://www.meldraweb.com
Phone: 0404 595 395
(intl): +61 404 595 395
P.O Box 1412
Lavington, NSW 2641
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