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From: "Dong Feng" <middle.fengdong@gmail.com>
To: Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>
Cc: pradeep singh <2500.pradeep@gmail.com>,
	Bahadir Balban <bahadir.balban@gmail.com>,
	Learning Linux <learninglinux4@gmail.com>,
	kernelnewbies@nl.linux.org, linux-newbie@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Why can't we sleep in an ISR?
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 07:17:36 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a2ebde260705161617u260bcb55i8c4a56e4a4875954@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <464B2155.8040005@cfl.rr.com>

OK. I think the gap between you and me is the definition of term
*context*. If you go to Linux Kernel Development, 2nd Edition (ISBN
0-672-32720-1), Page 6, then you will read the following:

....  in Linux, ... each processor is doing one of three things at any
given moment:

1. In kernel-space, in process context, ...
2. In kernel-space, in interrupt context, not associated with a process, ...
3. In user-space ...

This list is inclusive. ...


Maybe you prefer other terminology system, but I do like the above
definition given by Robert Love. So maybe in your system *context*
mean something at hardware level and you say ISR is in process
context, but I think it is more like a logical level and agree with
Rovert's definition.

And in hardware level, Robert's *context* definition also mean
something specific, that I started to be aware of. That is, *in the
same context* means a kernel-code is triggered by a user-space code.
*in different context* means a kernel-code is triggered by an external
interrupt source other than a user-space code.

Context has nothing to do with whether an ISR borrow any data
structure of a process, instead, its something logical or related to
causality.



2007/5/16, Phillip Susi <psusi@cfl.rr.com>:
> Dong Feng wrote:
> > If what you say were true, then an ISR would be running in the same
> > context as the interrupted process.
>
> Yes, and it is, as others have said in this thread, which is a good
> reason why ISRs can't sleep.
>
> > But please check any article or
> > book, it will say ISR running in different context from any process.
> > So ISR is considered in its own context, although it shares a lot of
> > things with the interrupted process. I would only say *context* is a
> > higher-level logical concept.
>
> Depends on which book or article you are reading I suppose.  The
> generally accepted and often used thought is that ISRs technically are
> running in the context of the interrupted process, but because that
> context is unknown and therefore should not be used, it is often said
> that they run in no context, or outside of any context.  Sometimes
> people then assume that because they run outside of any ( particular )
> process context, they must be in their own context, but this is a mistake.
>
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-16 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-14  6:37 Why can't we sleep in an ISR? Learning Linux
2007-05-14  7:10 ` pradeep singh
2007-05-14  7:16   ` Learning Linux
2007-05-14 15:24     ` Bahadir Balban
2007-05-14 15:56       ` Dong Feng
2007-05-15  5:17       ` pradeep singh
2007-05-15  6:45         ` Dong Feng
2007-05-15  7:10           ` pradeep singh
2007-05-15  7:28             ` Dong Feng
2007-05-15  8:12               ` pradeep singh
2007-05-15  8:40               ` Learning Linux
2007-05-15  8:58                 ` Dong Feng
2007-05-15 16:57           ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-15 22:49             ` Dong Feng
2007-05-16 15:20               ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-16 23:17                 ` Dong Feng [this message]
2007-05-17 16:07                   ` Phillip Susi
2007-05-17 23:50                     ` Dong Feng
2007-05-14 12:25 ` Helge Hafting
2007-05-14 12:52   ` pradeep singh
2007-05-14 13:36     ` Dong Feng
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-05-14 15:22 linux
2007-05-14 15:55 ` Rik van Riel
2007-05-15  9:34 rohit  hooda
2007-05-15  9:46 ` pradeep singh

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