From: Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi@intel.com>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: "Dave Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
"Simona Vetter" <simona@ffwll.ch>,
"Maarten Lankhorst" <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
"Maxime Ripard" <mripard@kernel.org>,
"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
"Jani Nikula" <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
"Joonas Lahtinen" <joonas.lahtinen@linux.intel.com>,
"Tvrtko Ursulin" <tursulin@ursulin.net>,
"Matthew Brost" <matthew.brost@intel.com>,
"Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Alex Deucher" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>,
"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
"Mark Brown" <broonie@kernel.org>,
linux-next@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] linux-next: replace the DRM trees with a single drm-for-linux-next
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2026 17:39:02 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aupihiB5RvfgB1lH@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DMLVPRO7XF7F.21199FO61MFRD@kernel.org>
On Tue, Nov 03, 2026 at 10:04:28PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Tue Nov 3, 2026 at 9:33 PM CET, Rodrigo Vivi wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 03, 2026 at 08:32:48PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> >> IOW, linux-next merges tip/for-linux-next, and tip/for-linux-next merges
> >> $tree/for-linux-next, rather than $tree/$tree-next.
> >
> > For this to work we need:
> > 1. xe to create for-linux-next for-linux-next-fixes
> > 2. amd to create for-linux-next for-linux-next-fixes
>
> Huh, I thought all the trees are doing this already. Well, that explains
> where the the problem comes from. :)
>
> In any case, drm-misc, drm-rust and drm-intel already have for-linux-next and
> for-linux-next-fixes, and the implementation is generic. So, adding it to xe and
> amd is trivial.
Agreed.
>
> > 3. All maintainers to agree to move their -next-fixes on the same day that
> > they are sending the last PR. Or have a new dim sub-command dim final-pr
>
> That's what drm-misc, drm-rust and drm-intel promise, yes.
Well,
https://drm.pages.freedesktop.org/maintainer-tools/maintainer/maintainer-drm-intel.html#drm-intel-next-fixes
We promise 'after' not at the same time, nor right-after.
We never specified how much after. I was always doing this on the next week,
or even couple weeks later.
So, I can tell that when I'm handling the drm-intel-next-fixes I was not
doing it right after. So, we certainly had leaks from drm-intel-next, at
least during my rounds for sure.
Right, we just found the other source of the issue and that points back to me
again, I know :)
Oh, we have another complication in the -intel part.
we have a separate drm-intel-gt-next but the -next-fixes and -fixes are just
one. And the maintainers taking care of the -next -gt-next and -next-fixes are
3 different people each round. :(
>
> Something like dim request-pull --final seems like a reasonable helper to me.
I like the --final option. Except that this doesn't work for -intel and we would
need a different blackout mechanism there.
>
> > 4. Instrument dim to have this secondary reconstructed tree instead of the
> > implemented chop.
>
> I think for this part isn't different; tip/for-linux-next just merges one or the
> other.
But it is a new pass... The current proposal here is still a single pass and
it chops/derive the drm-for-linux-next in the middle of the pass.
For a separate one you need the second pass that is the merge of the drm-next
with all the individual for-linux-next* ones.
>
> > 5. Prepare every committer to deal with this extra build time and extra
> > conflict resolution.
>
> Which extra build time and conflict resolution? You have two tip trees in either
> case, no? One that contains $tree/$tree-next and one that doesn't.
In the second pass you can get duplicated or different conflicts.
>
> > I honestly prefer the simple chop solution. But it would be okay by me
> > if you take the lead and implement the dim changes for this flow.
>
> I don't mind doing this. :)
>
> >> I.e. the ultimate source of what is linux-next material remains to be $tree.
> >>
> >> In general, I think that this is more accurate and probably less error prone
> >
> > I would argue the other way around.
> >
> > The reason that we are seeing so much escapes from next-next into linux-next
> > might be exactly by the fact that the blackout right now depends on 2 separate
> > actions to help simultaneously (last PR + rebase of -next-fixes). What most
> > of us are not doing.
>
> Interesting, why is that? It seems to work perfectly fine in drm-misc, drm-rust
> and drm-intel.
>
> The only thing maintainers need to do is push $tree-next to $tree-next-fixes at
> the cutoff. The rest is automatically handled by dim already.
>
> >> For instance, let's say a tree closes (i.e. tags the last -next tag of the
> >> cycle) a few days before -rc6, it could happen that subsequent commits to
> >> $tree-next still appear in linux-next because tip still picks them up until
> >> after -rc6. So, after -rc6 those commits (that were in linux-next for a few
> >> days) would disappear from linux-next again.
> >>
> >> Not that big of a deal, but technically they didn't even belong in linux-next
> >> for only a few days.
> >
> > But well, this is a good catch and a bug on the current proposal indeed.
> > Should we move that to -rc5 to -rc1? We just need to ensure that everyone
> > have at least 1 PR after -rc5 and we are all aligned.
> >
> > The only caveat is that patches landing in drivers-next during -rc5/-rc6 will
> > take a few days more to propagate, but it shouldn't be the end of the world.
> > It is still a couple weeks before the merge-window.
> >
> >>
> >> If we kept $tree/for-linux-next, tip would never pick those commits up, because
> >> a tree that closed a few days before -rc6 would already have switched
> >> $tree/for-linux-next to $tree/$tree-next-fixes.
> >
> > Well, if you don't move your -next-fixes at the same time of your last PR
> > you are leaking that as well. And this is happening.
>
> Where is this happening?
Mark complains for a while of the number of escapes of next-next into linux-next.
Perhaps the current flow is only working well for -misc and -rust.
>
> > At least now we know why it is happening (besides xe and amd sending
> > straight from -next instead of having the -for-linux-next branches).
>
> I think if xe and amd would have those branches there'd not be a problem to
> begin with.
>
> But independent of that, I think it is nice to give the "fully merge conflict
> resolved thing" to Mark. :)
yes, that's the goal. Reduce conflict's for him and stop the 'leaks'.
Thanks,
Rodrigo.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-11-03 22:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-11-02 18:41 [RFC] linux-next: replace the DRM trees with a single drm-for-linux-next Rodrigo Vivi
2026-11-02 18:51 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-11-02 19:20 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-11-02 20:01 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-11-03 2:05 ` Dave Airlie
2026-11-03 19:32 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-11-03 20:33 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-11-03 21:04 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-11-03 21:19 ` Alex Deucher
2026-11-03 22:48 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-11-03 23:01 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-11-04 2:37 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-11-04 3:29 ` Dave Airlie
2026-11-04 11:08 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-11-04 17:44 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-11-04 22:35 ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-11-03 22:39 ` Rodrigo Vivi [this message]
2026-11-02 18:58 ` Mark Brown
2026-11-02 23:07 ` Alex Deucher
2026-11-03 20:35 ` Rodrigo Vivi
2026-11-03 21:24 ` Alex Deucher
2026-11-04 5:49 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2026-11-04 11:48 ` Mark Brown
2026-11-04 12:46 ` Sasha Levin
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