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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Brian R Cowan <brcowan@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Read/Write NFS I/O performance degraded by FLUSH_STABLE page flushing
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:57:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1243619855.7155.71.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1243618968.7155.60.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:42 -0400, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:38 -0400, Brian R Cowan wrote:
> > > You may have a misunderstanding about what exactly "async" does.  The 
> > > "sync" / "async" mount options control only whether the application 
> > > waits for the data to be flushed to permanent storage.  They have no 
> > > effect on any file system I know of _how_ specifically the data is 
> > > moved from the page cache to permanent storage.
> > 
> > The problem is that the client change seems to cause the application to 
> > stop until this stable write completes... What is interesting is that it's 
> > not always a write operation that the linker gets stuck on. Our best 
> > hypothesis -- from correlating times in strace and tcpdump traces -- is 
> > that the FILE_SYNC'ed write NFS RPCs are in fact triggered by *read()* 
> > system calls on the output file (that is opened for read/write). We THINK 
> > the read call triggers a FILE_SYNC write if the page is dirty...and that 
> > is why the read calls are taking so long. Seeing writes happening when the 
> > app is waiting for a read is odd to say the least... (In my test, there is 
> > nothing else running on the Virtual machines, so the only thing that could 
> > be triggering the filesystem activity is the build test...)
> 
> Yes. If the page is dirty, but not up to date, then it needs to be
> cleaned before you can overwrite the contents with the results of a
> fresh read.
> That means flushing the data to disk... Which again means doing either a
> stable write or an unstable write+commit. The former is more efficient
> that the latter, 'cos it accomplishes the exact same work in a single
> RPC call.
> 
> Trond

In fact, I suspect your real gripe is rather with the logic that marks a
page as being up to date (i.e. whether or not they require a READ call).
I suggest trying kernel 2.6.27 or newer, and seeing if the changes that
are in those kernels fix your problem.

Trond


      parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-29 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-30 20:12 Read/Write NFS I/O performance degraded by FLUSH_STABLE page flushing Brian R Cowan
2009-04-30 20:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-30 20:28 ` Chuck Lever
2009-04-30 20:41   ` Peter Staubach
2009-04-30 21:13     ` Chuck Lever
2009-04-30 21:23     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-01 16:39       ` Brian R Cowan
     [not found]       ` <1241126587.15476.62.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 15:55         ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 16:46           ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]             ` <1243615595.7155.48.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 17:25               ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 17:35                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                   ` <1243618500.7155.56.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30  0:22                     ` Greg Banks
     [not found]                       ` <ac442c870905291722x1ec811b2sda997d464898fcda-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30  7:57                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-01 22:30                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-05 14:54                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-06-05 16:01                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-05 16:12                               ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                 ` <1244218328.5410.38.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 19:54                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-05 21:21                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-30 12:26                         ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                           ` <1243686363.5209.16.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-30 12:43                             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-30 13:02                             ` Greg Banks
     [not found]                               ` <ac442c870905300602v6950ec42y5195d2d6ea7dd4c-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-01 22:30                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-02 15:00                                 ` Chuck Lever
2009-06-02 17:27                                   ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                     ` <1243963631.4868.124.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-02 18:15                                       ` Chuck Lever
2009-06-03 16:22                                       ` Carlos Carvalho
2009-06-03 17:10                                         ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                           ` <OFB53BFCCB.0CEC7A7E-ON852575C <1244138698.5203.59.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>
2009-06-03 21:28                                           ` Dean Hildebrand
2009-06-04  2:16                                             ` Carlos Carvalho
2009-06-04 17:42                                           ` Brian R Cowan
2009-06-04 18:04                                             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-04 20:43                                               ` Link performance over NFS degraded in RHEL5. -- was : " Brian R Cowan
2009-06-04 20:57                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-04 21:30                                                   ` Brian R Cowan
2009-06-04 21:48                                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-04 21:07                                                 ` Peter Staubach
2009-06-04 21:39                                                   ` Brian R Cowan
2009-06-05 11:35                                                 ` Steve Dickson
2009-06-05 12:46                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-05 13:03                                                     ` Brian R Cowan
2009-06-05 13:05                                                   ` Tom Talpey
     [not found]                                                   ` <4A29144A.6030405@gmail.com>
2009-06-05 13:30                                                     ` Steve Dickson
2009-06-05 13:52                                                       ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                         ` <1244209956.5410.33.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 13:57                                                           ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]                                                             ` <4A29243F.8080008-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-05 16:05                                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-05 16:35                                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                                   ` <1244219715.5410.40.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-15 23:08                                                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-16  0:21                                                                       ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                                                                         ` <99d4545537613ce76040d3655b78bdb7.squirrel-eq65iwfR9nKIECXXMXunQA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-16  0:33                                                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-16  0:50                                                                             ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                                                                               ` <02ada87c636e1088e9365a3cbea301e7.squirrel-eq65iwfR9nKIECXXMXunQA@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-16  0:55                                                                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-17 16:54                                                                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-17 16:59                                                                                     ` [PATCH 1/3] nfsd: track last inode only in use_wgather case J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-17 16:59                                                                                       ` [PATCH 2/3] nfsd: Pull write-gathering code out of nfsd_vfs_write J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-17 16:59                                                                                         ` [PATCH 3/3] nfsd: minor nfsd_vfs_write cleanup J. Bruce Fields
2009-06-16  0:32                                                                       ` Link performance over NFS degraded in RHEL5. -- was : Read/Write NFS I/O performance degraded by FLUSH_STABLE page flushing Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                                         ` <1245112324.7470.7.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-06-16  2:02                                                                           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                                     ` <4A291D83.1000508@RedHat.com>
2009-06-05 13:50                                                       ` Tom Talpey
2009-06-05 13:54                                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-06-05 13:58                                                           ` Tom Talpey
2009-06-05 13:56                                                   ` Brian R Cowan
2009-06-24 19:54                                               ` [PATCH] read-modify-write page updating Peter Staubach
2009-06-25 17:13                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                   ` <1245950029.4913.17.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-09 13:59                                                     ` Peter Staubach
2009-07-09 14:12                                                 ` [PATCH v2] " Peter Staubach
2009-07-09 15:39                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                                     ` <1247153972.5766.15.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-07-10 15:57                                                       ` Peter Staubach
2009-07-10 17:22                                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-08-04 17:52                                                   ` [PATCH v3] " Peter Staubach
2009-08-05  0:50                                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-29 17:48               ` Read/Write NFS I/O performance degraded by FLUSH_STABLE page flushing Peter Staubach
2009-05-29 18:21                 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-29 17:01           ` Chuck Lever
2009-05-29 17:38             ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 17:42               ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                 ` <1243618968.7155.60.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 17:47                   ` Chuck Lever
2009-05-29 18:15                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-29 17:51                   ` Peter Staubach
2009-05-29 18:25                     ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 18:43                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-29 17:55                   ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 18:07                     ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                       ` <1243620455.7155.80.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 18:18                         ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 18:29                           ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                             ` <1243621769.7155.97.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 20:09                               ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 20:21                                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                   ` <1243628519.7155.150.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 21:55                                     ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 22:03                                       ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                   ` <OFBB9B2C07.CC3D028B-ON852575C5. <1243634634.7155.160.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>
     [not found]                                     ` <1243634634.7155.160.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 22:20                                       ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 22:36                                         ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                     ` <OF061E0258.9581352B-ON852575C <1243636593.7155.188.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>
     [not found]                                       ` <1243636593.7155.188.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-05-29 23:02                                         ` Brian R Cowan
2009-05-29 23:13                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2009-05-29 17:57                   ` Trond Myklebust [this message]

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