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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
To: Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>
Cc: nfsv4@linux-nfs.org, nfs@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] NFS: have string-based mount options default to "intr" mounts
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:48:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070725194806.d98436b0.jlayton@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46A7BB83.1000106@redhat.com>

On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:07:15 -0400
Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com> wrote:

> Jeff Layton wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:16:57 -0400
> > Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no> wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 15:41 -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> >>     
> >>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:36:18 -0400
> >>> Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>>> I thought "nointr" was the default because it is safest.
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> >>> I could see maybe with soft mounts, but in conjunction with a hard
> >>> mount (which is the default) is there danger of corruption?
> >>>       
> >> You may cause the sync to disk on close() to be aborted. The writes will
> >> eventually get flushed to disk by the flushd() daemon, but failing to
> >> sync writes to disk prior to closing the file is a violation of
> >> close-to-open caching semantics and may cause corruption issues.
> >>
> >> Trond
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > The close would return EINTR in this case though, wouldn't it? The app
> > should then be aware that it didn't actually happen and should
> > reattempt it. Presuming that the app handles this correctly, is it
> > really a data corruption issue?
> 
> You can't retry the operation.  Even if close() returns an error,
> the file descriptor is really closed.
> 

Interesting. The close(2) manpage is unclear on this on this point.

> But, the application can take some other form of error recovery.
> 
> ----
> 
> I think that I object the data corruption characterization.  The
> data doesn't become corrupted.  It, eventually, is written out to
> stable storage.  However, an application which concerned with
> consistency needs to be able to do something valid when a close
> operation returns an error, whether it is EINTR or something else.
> 

That's my thinking too, though if you close and get an error, it's
not clear to me what that should be. There doesn't seem to be a way to
block waiting for the data to be flushed out. If the fd is closed, I
suppose you would have released any locks you have. Other machines
would be able to get in there before your data gets flushed to the
server.

Now that I think about it, I guess we have similar issues with nointr
if the server reboots at just the wrong time during a close call too.

In any case, I guess the question here is "what should the default be"?
Currently, it's nointr for nfs2/3 and intr for nfs4. If you use
string-based options, it's nointr everywhere. I think we ought to try to
make it consistent unless there's good reason not to. We should also
make sure the nfs manpage is correct.

--
Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>

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Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-25 18:56 [PATCH] NFS: have string-based mount options default to "intr" mounts Jeff Layton
2007-07-25 19:36 ` Chuck Lever
2007-07-25 19:41   ` Jeff Layton
2007-07-25 19:48     ` Chuck Lever
2007-07-25 20:16     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-25 20:36       ` Peter Staubach
2007-07-26  2:44         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-25 20:43       ` Jeff Layton
2007-07-25 21:07         ` Peter Staubach
2007-07-25 23:48           ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2007-07-25 23:51             ` Jeff Layton
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2007-07-25 20:05 [PATCH] NFS: have string-based mount options default to intr mounts Rick Macklem

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