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From: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [nfs-utils PATCH] retry on EPERM from NFSv4 mount attempt
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:51:22 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091125085122.316f4eb3@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091124205616.GB29856@fieldses.org>

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:56:16 -0500
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 09:29:47AM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote:
> > >  So I think we need to fall back on EPERM as well.  See below.
> > I already posted this patch on the v4 mailing list
> > http://linux-nfs.org/pipermail/nfsv4/2009-November/011595.html
> > but it got shot down...  at least that's how I interpreted the
> > responses... 

Thanks for the reference ... clearly I am not keeping up with my
nfs mailing lists....


> > 
> > But I do thing we need this, since there are so many server 
> > that will simple break if we don't... Agreed?

Agreed that we certainly need something.  We cannot expect people to
reconfigure their servers because they installed new software on the
client.

> 
> My position is that servers should either a) turn off NFSv4 or b) add
> a pseudoroot, and that we should modify initscripts to make this
> harder to screw up.

In the ideal world, yes.  Maybe this is best done in the kernel?
Can we synthesis an RPC-protocol-not-supported error if and NFSv4
request arrives from a client for which no pseudo-root is configured?

> 
> (For now (without automatic pseudoroot creation) we should by default
> be running rpc.nfsd with -N 4; and adding the v4 support should be
> something administrators do when they add a pseudoroot.)

Hind sight is 20/20 they say.  We probably should have done this, but
I think it is now too late to do anything useful in the init scripts.

> 
> ((If this is really totally unfeasible, then I should quickly cue up a
> revert for the patch I have queued for 2.6.33 which changes this error
> again, to SERVERFAULT....))

Maybe - maybe not.

The situation on the client is that for a command that has
traditionally always performed a v3 or (before that) a v2 mount, we are
now trying a v4 mount.
I see that v4 attempt as opportunistic.  If anything goes wrong I think
it is reasonable to go back to "the old way".

So I think this piece of code in mount.nfs should retry on any error at
all, so it would not matter whether you change again to SERVERFAULT.

But I think the best fix for the kernel is to get nfsd4_proc_compound
to return RPC_PROG_MISMATCH if there is no pseudo root, and then get
svc_process_common to handle this and fake up appropriate min/max
version numbers.

Thanks,
NeilBrown


  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-24 21:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-23 23:32 [nfs-utils PATCH] retry on EPERM from NFSv4 mount attempt Neil Brown
     [not found] ` <19211.7054.291514.185591-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-24 14:29   ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]     ` <4B0BEDDB.1010203-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-24 20:56       ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-11-24 21:19         ` Peter Staubach
2009-11-24 21:51         ` Neil Brown [this message]
     [not found]           ` <20091125085122.316f4eb3-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-24 21:58             ` Peter Staubach
2009-11-24 22:22               ` Neil Brown
     [not found]                 ` <20091125092227.77735d5a-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-24 22:29                   ` Peter Staubach
2009-11-24 22:54                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-11-24 22:58                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-11-30 13:11       ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]         ` <4B13C48E.5020009-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-30 16:43           ` Chuck Lever
2009-11-30 17:41             ` Steve Dickson
     [not found]               ` <4B1403CA.8050107-AfCzQyP5zfLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-30 17:52                 ` Chuck Lever
2009-11-30 18:12                   ` Steve Dickson
2009-11-30 18:18           ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-11-30 21:59             ` Neil Brown
     [not found]               ` <20091201085916.7c1bb644-wvvUuzkyo1EYVZTmpyfIwg@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-30 22:13                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-12-07 22:27   ` Steve Dickson

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