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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Dave Quigley <dpquigl@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] NFSv3: Add server namespace support for XATTR protocol implementation
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:49:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B8B0F0B.4080603@schaufler-ca.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1267191990.7691.37.camel@moss-pluto.epoch.ncsc.mil>

Stephen Smalley wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 15:37 +1100, James Morris wrote:
>   
>> Add support for a server namespace for storing and retrieving
>> client-supplied xattrs.  All xattrs are now stored on the server under
>> the user._nfsd namespace, and are not interpreted by the server at all.
>> This allows clients to utilize arbitrary xattr namespaces and for the
>> server to act only as a storage mechanism for the xattrs.
>>
>> The user._nfsd namespace was chosen because filesystems generally have
>> a user. xattr handler implemented.  Using something like system. would
>> require implementing a generalized handler for each backing fs on the
>> server, as well as requiring privilege to access.
>>     
>
> I'm wondering whether the user. namespace is best for storage on the
> server given that:
> - the user. namespace is restricted to regular files or directories (see
> xattr_permission()), and
> - the user. namespace applies its own set of permission checking logic
> that we don't necessarily want applied in the case of trusted. or
> security. attributes (e.g. special rules on sticky directories and read
> or write access to the file, see xattr_permission()), and
> - storing the attributes in the user. namespace would allow local users
> on the server to manipulate them directly.  I know that you stated an
> assumption that end users do not have local access to the exported
> filesystem, but it would be better if the system itself would restrict
> the ability to set these attributes to privileged processes on the
> server.
>
> Using the security. or trusted. namespace would avoid the restriction on
> file type and require CAP_SYS_ADMIN on setxattr.  That would prevent
> local modification by non-admins and should have no effect on clients
> (since nfsd doesn't drop CAP_SYS_ADMIN).
>
>   

I'm mostly in agreement with Stephen. I wouldn't object to a separate
"nfsd." namespace, as opposed to "security." or "trusted." because I
think that in reality you're not going to get very far without treating
is a special case in any event. May as well acknowledge it up front.

>> Currently, only the user and trusted namespaces are supported by
>> the client, as system and security namespaces require further analysis,
>> and some special-case handling will be required (for security.selinux,
>> at least).
>>
>> NFS ACLs continue to work as expected, because they implement a
>> hard-coded system xattr namespace which is invoked before the
>> NFS layer.  e.g. any access to a system.posix_acl_access xattr
>> is invokes the NFS_ACL protocol.
>>     
>
>   


  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-01  0:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-26  4:33 [PATCH 0/5][v3][RFC] NFSv3: implement extended attribute protocol (XATTR) James Morris
2010-02-26  4:34 ` [PATCH 1/5] NFSv3: convert client to generic xattr API James Morris
2010-02-26  4:35 ` [PATCH 2/5] NFSv3: add xattr API config option for client James Morris
     [not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1002261457420.25193-CK9fWmtY32x9JUWOpEiw7w@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26  4:36   ` Subject: [PATCH 3/5] NFSv3: add client implementation of XATTR protocol James Morris
2010-02-26  4:36 ` [PATCH 4/5] NFSv3: add server " James Morris
2010-02-26  4:37 ` [PATCH 5/5] NFSv3: Add server namespace support for XATTR protocol implementation James Morris
2010-02-26 13:46   ` Stephen Smalley
2010-03-01  0:49     ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2010-03-01  1:17       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-03-01  8:09         ` James Morris
2010-03-08 10:42 ` [PATCH 0/6][v4][RFC] NFSv3: implement extended attribute protocol (XATTR) James Morris
2010-03-08 10:43   ` [PATCH 1/6] NFSv3: convert client to generic xattr API James Morris
2010-03-08 10:44   ` [PATCH 3/6] NFSv3: add client implementation of XATTR protocol James Morris
2010-03-08 10:45   ` [PATCH 4/6] NFSv3: add server " James Morris
2010-03-08 10:46   ` [PATCH 5/6] xattr: add new top level nfsd namespace and implement ext3 support James Morris
     [not found]   ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1003082122340.6314-CK9fWmtY32x9JUWOpEiw7w@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 10:43     ` [PATCH 2/6] NFSv3: add xattr API config option for client James Morris
2010-03-08 10:47     ` [PATCH 6/6] NFSv3: Add server namespace support for XATTR protocol implementation James Morris
2010-03-09  3:59   ` [PATCH 0/6][v4][RFC] NFSv3: implement extended attribute protocol (XATTR) Brad Boyer
2010-03-09  5:49     ` Casey Schaufler
2010-03-09  7:04       ` Brad Boyer
2010-03-09 19:35         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-10  3:46           ` Casey Schaufler
2010-03-15  3:19             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-15  4:42               ` Casey Schaufler
2010-03-15 14:28                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-03-15 23:28                   ` Casey Schaufler
2010-03-15 23:49                     ` Trond Myklebust
2010-03-16  2:31                       ` Casey Schaufler
2010-03-17 20:13       ` Eric Paris
2010-03-17 21:23         ` Casey Schaufler
2010-03-09  8:13     ` James Morris
2010-03-13  7:28       ` Brad Boyer

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