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From: Bryan Schumaker <bjschuma@netapp.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@redhat.com>
Cc: Pavel A <free.lan.c2.718r@gmail.com>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: clients fail to reclaim locks after server reboot or manual sm-notify
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:21:26 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EC41B46.60002@netapp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111116200837.GD2955@pad.fieldses.org>

On 11/16/2011 03:08 PM, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 09:09:07PM +0200, Pavel A wrote:
>> I've read about this issue here:
>> http://www.time-travellers.org/shane/papers/NFS_considered_harmful.html
>>
>> /*-----
>> In the event of server failure (e.g. server reboot or lock daemon
>> restart), all client locks are lost. However, the clients are not
>> informed of this, and because the other operations (read, write, and
>> so on) are not visibly interrupted, they have no reliable way to
>> prevent other clients from obtaining a lock on a file they think they
>> have locked.
>> -----*/
> 
> That's incorrect.  Perhaps the article is out of date, I don't know.

Looks like it was written about 11 years ago, so I'll believe that it's out of date.

- Bryan

> 
>> Can't get this. If there is a grace period after reboot and clients
>> can successfully reclaim locks, then how other clients can obtain
>> locks?
> 
> That's right, in the absence of bugs, if a client succesfully reclaims a
> lock, then it knows that no other client can have acquired that lock in
> the interim: since the reclaim succeeded, that means the server is still
> in the grace period, which means the only other locks that it has
> allowed are also reclaims.  If some reclaim conflicts with this lock,
> then the other client must have reclaimed a lock that it didn't actually
> hold before (hence must be buggy).
> 
>>> You need to restart nfsd on the node that is taking over.  That means
>>> that clients usings both filesystems (A and B) will have to do lock
>>> recovery, when in theory only those using volume B should have to, and
>>> that is suboptimal.  But it is also correct.
>>>
>>
>> Seems to work. As of a more optimal solution: what do you think of the
>> contents of /proc/locks? May it be possible to use this info to then
>> perform locking locally on the other node (after failover)?
> 
> No, I don't think so.  And I'd be careful about using /proc/locks for
> anything but debugging.
> 
> --b.


  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-16 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-14 17:11 clients fail to reclaim locks after server reboot or manual sm-notify Pavel
2011-11-14 19:10 ` Bryan Schumaker
2011-11-14 21:55   ` Bryan Schumaker
2011-11-15 15:50     ` Pavel
2011-11-15 17:19       ` Pavel
2011-11-15 21:48       ` Bryan Schumaker
2011-11-15 22:16         ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-11-16 14:25           ` Bryan Schumaker
2011-11-16 14:58             ` Pavel
2011-11-16 15:30             ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-11-16 17:15               ` Pasha Z
2011-11-16 17:28                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-11-16 17:37               ` Bryan Schumaker
2011-11-16 19:09                 ` Pavel A
2011-11-16 20:08                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2011-11-16 20:21                     ` Bryan Schumaker [this message]
2011-11-16 21:56                       ` Pavel A

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