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From: Dai Ngo <dai.ngo@oracle.com>
To: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] NFSD: cancel CB_RECALL_ANY call when nfs4_client is about to be destroyed
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2024 09:00:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5108ca5a-b626-4ae9-a809-ae3fffb50cab@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zgq365RJ9M5qsgWY@tissot.1015granger.net>


On 4/1/24 6:34 AM, Chuck Lever wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 08:49:49AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
>> On Sat, 2024-03-30 at 16:30 -0700, Dai Ngo wrote:
>>> On 3/30/24 11:28 AM, Chuck Lever wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 10:46:08AM -0700, Dai Ngo wrote:
>>>>> On 3/29/24 4:42 PM, Chuck Lever wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 10:57:22AM -0700, Dai Ngo wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/29/24 7:55 AM, Chuck Lever wrote:
>>>>>> It could be straightforward, however, to move the callback_wq into
>>>>>> struct nfs4_client so that each client can have its own workqueue.
>>>>>> Then we can take some time and design something less brittle and
>>>>>> more scalable (and maybe come up with some test infrastructure so
>>>>>> this stuff doesn't break as often).
>>>>> IMHO I don't see why the callback workqueue has to be different
>>>>> from the laundry_wq or nfsd_filecache_wq used by nfsd.
>>>> You mean, you don't see why callback_wq has to be ordered, while
>>>> the others are not so constrained? Quite possibly it does not have
>>>> to be ordered.
>>> Yes, I looked at the all the nfsd4_callback_ops on nfsd and they
>>> seems to take into account of concurrency and use locks appropriately.
>>> For each type of work I don't see why one work has to wait for
>>> the previous work to complete before proceed.
>>>
>>>> But we might have lost the bit of history that explains why, so
>>>> let's be cautious about making broad changes here until we have a
>>>> good operational understanding of the code and some robust test
>>>> cases to check any changes we make.
>>> Understand, you make the call.
>> commit 88382036674770173128417e4c09e9e549f82d54
>> Author: J. Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org>
>> Date:   Mon Nov 14 11:13:43 2016 -0500
>>
>>      nfsd: update workqueue creation
>>      
>>      No real change in functionality, but the old interface seems to be
>>      deprecated.
>>      
>>      We don't actually care about ordering necessarily, but we do depend on
>>      running at most one work item at a time: nfsd4_process_cb_update()
>>      assumes that no other thread is running it, and that no new callbacks
>>      are starting while it's running.
>>      
>>      Reviewed-by: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
>>      Signed-off-by: J. Bruce Fields <bfields@redhat.com>
>>
>>
>> ...so it may be as simple as just fixing up nfsd4_process_cb_update().
>> Allowing parallel recalls would certainly be a good thing.

Thank you Jeff for pointing this out.

> Thanks for the research. I was about to do the same.
>
> I think we do allow parallel recalls -- IIUC, callback_wq
> single-threads only the dispatch of RPC calls, not their
> processing. Note the use of rpc_call_async().
>
> So nfsd4_process_cb_update() is protecting modifications of
> cl_cb_client and the backchannel transport. We might wrap that in
> a mutex, for example. But I don't see strong evidence (yet) that
> this design is a bottleneck when it is working properly.
>
> However, if for some reason, a work item sleeps, that would
> block forward progress of the work queue, and would be Bad (tm).
>
>
>> That said, a workqueue per client would be a great place to start. I
>> don't see any reason to serialize callbacks to different clients.
> I volunteer to take care of that for v6.10.

Thank you Chuck!

-Dai

>
>

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-01 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-26 18:13 [PATCH 1/1] NFSD: cancel CB_RECALL_ANY call when nfs4_client is about to be destroyed Dai Ngo
2024-03-26 18:27 ` Chuck Lever
2024-03-28  1:09   ` Dai Ngo
2024-03-28 14:08     ` Chuck Lever
2024-03-28 18:14       ` Dai Ngo
2024-03-29  0:31         ` Dai Ngo
2024-03-29 14:55           ` Chuck Lever
2024-03-29 17:57             ` Dai Ngo
2024-03-29 23:42               ` Chuck Lever
2024-03-30 17:46                 ` Dai Ngo
2024-03-30 18:28                   ` Chuck Lever
2024-03-30 23:30                     ` Dai Ngo
2024-04-01 12:49                       ` Jeff Layton
2024-04-01 13:34                         ` Chuck Lever
2024-04-01 16:00                           ` Dai Ngo [this message]
2024-04-01 16:46                             ` Dai Ngo
2024-04-01 17:49                               ` Chuck Lever
2024-04-01 19:55                                 ` Dai Ngo
2024-04-01 20:17                                   ` Dai Ngo
2024-04-02 13:58                                   ` Chuck Lever
2024-04-02 14:29                                     ` Dai Ngo
2024-04-01 16:11                           ` Jeff Layton

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