From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
snitzer@hammerspace.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 00/20] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 11:28:55 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZoVuN1YbbxA8w0aF@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZoVrMBmOS9BalBXO@infradead.org>
On Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 08:16:00AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> I've stated looking a bit at the code, and the architectural model
> confuses me more than a bit.
>
> A first thing that would be very helpful is an actual problem statement.
> The only mention of a concrete use case is about containers, implying
> that this about a client in one container/namespace with the server
> or the servers in another containers/namespace. Is that the main use
> case, are there others?
Containers is a significant usecase, but also any client that might
need to access local storage efficiently (e.g. GPU service running NFS
client that needs to access NVMe on same host).
> I kinda deduct from that that the client and server probably do not
> have the same view and access permissions to the underlying file
> systems? As this would defeat the use of NFS I suspect that is the
> case, but it should probably be stated clearly somewhere.
I can tighten that up in the Documentation.
> Going from there I don't understand why we need multiple layers of
> server bypass. The normal way to do this in NFSv4 is to use pNFS
> layout.
>
> I.e. you add a pnfs localio layout that just does local reads
> and writes for the I/O path. We'd still need a way to find a good
> in-kernel way to get the file structure, but compared to the two
> separate layers of bypasses in the current code it should be
> significantly simpler.
Using pNFS layout isn't viable because NFSv3 is very much in the mix
(flexfiles layout) for Hammerspace.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-03 15:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-02 16:28 [PATCH v11 00/20] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 01/20] SUNRPC: add rpcauth_map_to_svc_cred_local Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 02/20] nfs: factor out {encode,decode}_opaque_fixed to nfs_xdr.h Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 03/20] nfs_common: add NFS LOCALIO auxiliary protocol enablement Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 04/20] nfsd: add "localio" support Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 05/20] nfsd: add Kconfig options to allow localio to be enabled Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 06/20] nfsd: manage netns reference in nfsd_open_local_fh Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 07/20] nfsd: use percpu_ref to interlock nfsd_destroy_serv and nfsd_open_local_fh Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 08/20] nfsd: implement server support for NFS_LOCALIO_PROGRAM Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 09/20] SUNRPC: replace program list with program array Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 10/20] nfs: pass nfs_client to nfs_initiate_pgio Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 11/20] nfs: pass descriptor thru nfs_initiate_pgio path Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 12/20] nfs: pass struct file to nfs_init_pgio and nfs_init_commit Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 13/20] nfs: add "localio" support Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 14/20] nfs: fix nfs_localio_vfs_getattr() to properly support v4 Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 15/20] nfs: enable localio for non-pNFS I/O Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 16/20] pnfs/flexfiles: enable localio for flexfiles I/O Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 17/20] SUNRPC: remove call_allocate() BUG_ON if p_arglen=0 to allow RPC with void arg Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 18/20] nfs/localio: use dedicated workqueues for filesystem read and write Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 19/20] nfs: implement client support for NFS_LOCALIO_PROGRAM Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 16:28 ` [PATCH v11 20/20] nfs: add Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 18:06 ` [PATCH v11 00/20] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio Chuck Lever III
2024-07-02 18:32 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-02 20:10 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-07-03 0:57 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-03 0:52 ` NeilBrown
2024-07-03 1:13 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-03 5:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-03 8:52 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-03 14:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-03 15:11 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-03 15:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-03 15:24 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-07-03 15:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-03 15:36 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-03 17:06 ` Jeff Layton
2024-07-04 6:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-04 18:31 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-05 5:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-05 13:35 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-07-05 13:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-05 14:15 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-05 14:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-05 14:36 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-05 14:59 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-07-06 3:58 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-06 5:52 ` NeilBrown
2024-07-06 13:05 ` "why NFSv3?" [was: Re: [PATCH v11 00/20] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio] Mike Snitzer
2024-07-06 5:58 ` [PATCH v11 00/20] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-06 13:12 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-08 9:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-08 12:55 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-06 16:58 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-07-07 0:42 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-05 18:59 ` Jeff Layton
2024-07-05 22:08 ` NeilBrown
2024-07-06 6:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-06 6:37 ` NeilBrown
2024-07-06 6:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-06 17:15 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-07-08 4:10 ` NeilBrown
2024-07-08 14:41 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-07-08 9:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-08 4:03 ` NeilBrown
2024-07-08 9:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-10 0:10 ` NeilBrown
2024-07-03 17:19 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-07-03 19:04 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-04 5:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-03 21:35 ` NeilBrown
2024-07-04 6:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-04 10:13 ` Jeff Layton
2024-07-03 15:26 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-07-03 15:37 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-07-03 15:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-03 15:28 ` Mike Snitzer [this message]
2024-07-04 5:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
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