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From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
To: Chuck Lever <cel@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Olga Kornievskaia <okorniev@redhat.com>,
	Dai Ngo <dai.ngo@oracle.com>, Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 05/14] NFSD: @stable for direct writes is always NFS_FILE_SYNC
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2025 11:19:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aP-NmNDnpiVK59rT@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7093445f-604a-4bfd-9104-b9f70138ed07@kernel.org>

On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 11:04:47AM -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
> On 10/27/25 10:58 AM, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> >>> The current approach of using IOCB_DSYNC|IOCB_SYNC have performed
> >>> really well on modern NVMe servers.
> >> NVMe does not implement a concept called servers.
> > But you're aware that servers have NVMe devices in them.. that's all I
> > meant.  All of these NFSD_IO_DIRECT changes have been developed and
> > tested in modern servers with 8 NVMe, see:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpPFDu9Nuuw
> > 
> > (NOTE: results covered in this session did _not_ have the benefit
> > of NFSD responding to client with NFS_FILE_SYNC to avoid COMMIT, the
> > ability to do so was discussed at Bakeathon and was acted on with
> > these latest NFSD Direct patchsets).
> 
> This is why I suspect that leaving direct writes as UNSTABLE, rather
> than promoting them to FILE_SYNC, is probably not going to make much
> difference to Jonathan's benchmark results. That's just a guess though.
> 
> IOW the memory costs of sticking with UNSTABLE + COMMIT have already
> been demonstrated, and it's low.
> 
> The v8 of this series will go back to that idea, and if you want, you
> can benchmark it again. If it regresses, we can stick with FILE_SYNC.
> It's just ones and zeroes, as they say.

OK.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-27 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-24 14:42 [PATCH v7 00/14] NFSD: Implement NFSD_IO_DIRECT for NFS WRITE Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 01/14] NFSD: Make FILE_SYNC WRITEs comply with spec Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:21   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-27  8:02   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 02/14] NFSD: Enable return of an updated stable_how to NFS clients Chuck Lever
2025-10-27  8:03   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 03/14] NFSD: Refactor nfsd_vfs_write() Chuck Lever
2025-10-27  8:04   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 04/14] NFSD: Implement NFSD_IO_DIRECT for NFS WRITE Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 17:12   ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 17:24     ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 05/14] NFSD: @stable for direct writes is always NFS_FILE_SYNC Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:22   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 15:23     ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27  8:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 13:23     ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 13:27       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 14:31         ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27 14:36           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 14:58             ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27 15:04               ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 15:19                 ` Mike Snitzer [this message]
2025-10-27 15:05               ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 06/14] NFSD: Always set IOCB_SYNC in direct write path Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:22   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-27  8:08   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 10:38     ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-27 10:40       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 07/14] NFSD: Remove specific error handling Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:22   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 08/14] NFSD: Remove alignment size checking Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:22   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-27  8:09   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 13:25     ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 13:30       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 09/14] NFSD: Remove the len_mask check Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:23   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 17:16   ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 17:22     ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 10/14] NFSD: Clean up synopsis of nfsd_iov_iter_aligned_bvec() Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:24   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 11/14] NFSD: Clean up struct nfsd_write_dio Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:26   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 17:20   ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 12/14] NFSD: Introduce struct nfsd_write_dio_seg Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:30   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 15:37     ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 17:57   ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 13/14] NFSD: Clean up direct write fall back error flow Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:32   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 18:01   ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 14/14] NFSD: Initialize separate ki_flags Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:34   ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 18:13   ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 19:34     ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 20:37       ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 21:16         ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 23:56           ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27  8:15             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 10:50               ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-27 10:55                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 13:48                 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 13:49                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 16:18                   ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27 16:59                     ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-29  7:20                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 16:05                 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27 17:57                   ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-28  3:26                     ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-28 15:37                       ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-28 16:04                         ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-28 18:48                           ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-28 23:56                             ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-29 15:22                               ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-29 16:54                                 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-29  7:37                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29  7:32                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29  7:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27  8:14         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27  8:12       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 13:27         ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 13:30           ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 13:31             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 14:11         ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 14:45           ` Christoph Hellwig

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