From: Chuck Lever <cel@kernel.org>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
Cc: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>,
Olga Kornievskaia <okorniev@redhat.com>,
Dai Ngo <dai.ngo@oracle.com>, Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 14/14] NFSD: Initialize separate ki_flags
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2025 09:48:23 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <fc8e4689-ca7e-45e5-882f-aaa0946e1df7@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5a2e4884bb6b31b0443bdac6174c77f7273e92b1.camel@kernel.org>
On 10/27/25 6:50 AM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Mon, 2025-10-27 at 01:15 -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2025 at 07:56:59PM -0400, Mike Snitzer wrote:
>>> Really, even ignoring all the quirkiness of this: that O_DIRECT can
>>> fallback to buffered, and we need IOCB_DSYNC|IOCB_SYNC for our use of
>>> buffered IO when NFSD_IO_DIRECT configured to ensure data has hit
>>> stable storage -- that's enough justification. Bit circular but
>>> compelling to prove the need.. albeit wordy and a lot to unpack.
>> You always need IOCB_DSYNC for data to hit stable storage, both for
>> buffered and direct I/O. You need IOCB_SYNC in addition to also sync
>> out the timestamps, which I think we now agree we need. I still don't
>> understand why using direct I/O implies that we want NFS stable writes
>> and not two-stage writes, though.
> That's certainly a possibility too. Consider the case where we have a
> WRITE with unaligned parts at both ends. This set so far just does the
> ends as synchronous I/Os.
>
> We could do the end bits as non-synchronous writes, and follow up with
> a vfs_fsync_range() call before returning NFS_FILE_SYNC.
What concerns me a bit is that the code that handles unaligned ends
is careful to issue the vfs_iocb_iter_writes in file offset order. Are
we OK to use IOCB_DSYNC for the unaligned parts but IOCB_DIRECT +
subsequent COMMIT for the direct I/O middle segment?
--
Chuck Lever
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-27 13:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-24 14:42 [PATCH v7 00/14] NFSD: Implement NFSD_IO_DIRECT for NFS WRITE Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 01/14] NFSD: Make FILE_SYNC WRITEs comply with spec Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:21 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-27 8:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 02/14] NFSD: Enable return of an updated stable_how to NFS clients Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 8:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 03/14] NFSD: Refactor nfsd_vfs_write() Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 8:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 04/14] NFSD: Implement NFSD_IO_DIRECT for NFS WRITE Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 17:12 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 17:24 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 05/14] NFSD: @stable for direct writes is always NFS_FILE_SYNC Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:22 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 15:23 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 8:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 13:23 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 13:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 14:31 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27 14:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 14:58 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27 15:04 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 15:19 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27 15:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 06/14] NFSD: Always set IOCB_SYNC in direct write path Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:22 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-27 8:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 10:38 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-27 10:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:42 ` [PATCH v7 07/14] NFSD: Remove specific error handling Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:22 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 08/14] NFSD: Remove alignment size checking Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:22 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-27 8:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 13:25 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 13:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 09/14] NFSD: Remove the len_mask check Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:23 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 17:16 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 17:22 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 10/14] NFSD: Clean up synopsis of nfsd_iov_iter_aligned_bvec() Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:24 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 11/14] NFSD: Clean up struct nfsd_write_dio Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:26 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 17:20 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 12/14] NFSD: Introduce struct nfsd_write_dio_seg Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:30 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 15:37 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 17:57 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 13/14] NFSD: Clean up direct write fall back error flow Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:32 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 18:01 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 14:43 ` [PATCH v7 14/14] NFSD: Initialize separate ki_flags Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 15:34 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-24 18:13 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 19:34 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 20:37 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-24 21:16 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-24 23:56 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27 8:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 10:50 ` Jeff Layton
2025-10-27 10:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 13:48 ` Chuck Lever [this message]
2025-10-27 13:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 16:18 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27 16:59 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-29 7:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 16:05 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-27 17:57 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-28 3:26 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-28 15:37 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-28 16:04 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-28 18:48 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-28 23:56 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-29 15:22 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-29 16:54 ` Mike Snitzer
2025-10-29 7:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29 7:32 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-29 7:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 8:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 8:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 13:27 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 13:30 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 13:31 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-10-27 14:11 ` Chuck Lever
2025-10-27 14:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
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