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From: Vyacheslav Dubeyko <slava-yeENwD64cLxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Mark Trumpold <markt-qk0wvQ0ghJwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-nilfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Does nilfs2 do any in-place writes?
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:31:55 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1389940315.2731.16.camel@slavad-ubuntu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <W9375626839227141389894521@atl4webmail02>

On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 17:48 +0000, Mark Trumpold wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I am wondering what the impact of in-place writes of the
> superblock has on SSDs in terms of wear?
> 
> I've been stress testing our system which uses Nilfs, and
> recently I had a SSD fail with the classic messages indicating
> low level media problems -- and also implicating Nilfs as trying
> to locate a superblock (I think).
> 
> Following is a partial dmesg list: 
> 
> [    7.630382] Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]
> [    7.630385] Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):
> [    7.630386]         72 03 11 04 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00 
> [    7.630394]         05 ff 0e 58 
> [    7.630397] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda]  
> [    7.630399] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed
> [    7.630401] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] CDB: 
> [    7.630402] Read(10): 28 00 05 ff 0e 54 00 00 08 00
> [    7.630409] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 100601432
> [    7.635326] NILFS warning: I/O error on loading last segment
> [    7.635329] NILFS: error searching super root.
> 
> 

I don't think that this issue is related to superblocks. Because I can't
see in your output the magic signature of NILFS2. For example, I have
such first 16 bytes in superblock:

00000400  02 00 00 00 00 00 34 34  18 01 00 00 52 85 db 71  |......44....R..q|

Of course, I don't know your partition table details but I doubt that
sector 100601432 is a superblock sector. Moreover, you have error
messages that inform about troubles with loading last segment during
super root searching.

We have on NILFS2 only two blocks that live under in-place update
policy. An update frequency is not so high. So, I suppose that any FTL
can easily provide good wear leveling support for superblocks. But, of
course, in-place update is not good policy for flash-based devices,
anyway.

Maybe, I misunderstand something in your output. But I suppose that
during stress-testing you can discover I/O error in any part of volume.
Because it is really hard to predict when you will exhaust spare pool of
erase blocks.

With the best regards,
Vyacheslav Dubeyko.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-01-17  6:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-16 17:48 Does nilfs2 do any in-place writes? Mark Trumpold
2014-01-16 18:41 ` Clemens Eisserer
2014-01-17  6:31 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko [this message]
2014-01-18  1:47   ` Ryusuke Konishi
     [not found]     ` <20140118.104703.356941870.konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-18  9:44       ` Clemens Eisserer
     [not found]         ` <CAFvQSYQZtf0fsfX_7zNHdw4hVo9VHggN9F0TYEi1Fwo2ZvS4Ng-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-18 16:25           ` Mark Trumpold
     [not found]             ` <CEFFE8EC.9A4A%markt-qk0wvQ0ghJwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-18 18:11               ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-01-18 11:45       ` Andreas Rohner
     [not found]         ` <52DA696D.6010206-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-18 23:08           ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
     [not found]             ` <04877EE1-F5BF-41CE-AC92-CD9C3ED0B8A4-yeENwD64cLxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-18 23:08               ` Andreas Rohner
     [not found]                 ` <52DB098A.4010300-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-19  5:43                   ` Ryusuke Konishi
     [not found]                     ` <20140119.144345.373615211.konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-19 14:11                       ` Andreas Rohner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-01-17 19:19 Mark Trumpold
2014-01-16 19:40 Mark Trumpold
2014-01-15 10:44 Clemens Eisserer
     [not found] ` <CAFvQSYSzpX_WpUi9KpGj0pZvzhw2mfzzOqcgdj9ripXAjipmtw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-15 10:52   ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-01-15 11:44     ` Clemens Eisserer
     [not found]       ` <CAFvQSYTG6HBVc9iodYyvCejwf889jiwOPsVb1Hi8cDrR9pOGeg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-15 12:01         ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-01-15 15:23           ` Ryusuke Konishi
     [not found]             ` <20140116.002353.94325733.konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16 10:08               ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-01-17 22:55                 ` Ryusuke Konishi
2014-01-18  0:00                 ` Ryusuke Konishi
2014-01-16 10:03           ` Clemens Eisserer
     [not found]             ` <CAFvQSYSC7+dd93pRH-uok9N+A_s=1VKrfGEppu3qRTg3q=CuXQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16 10:10               ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko

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