From: Vyacheslav Dubeyko <slava-yeENwD64cLxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Ryusuke Konishi
<konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Clemens Eisserer
<linuxhippy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
linux-nilfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [writable snapshots discussion] Does nilfs2 do any in-place writes?
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:54:09 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1390218849.3034.121.camel@slavad-ubuntu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140118.075519.43661574.konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
Hi Ryusuke,
On Sat, 2014-01-18 at 07:55 +0900, Ryusuke Konishi wrote:
> > Yes, I think too that such suggestion is valuable for NILFS2. But I
> > suppose that the problem is more complex. I mean a situation with
> > write-able snapshots. If we will have write-able snapshots then it means
> > necessity to have independent version of some superblock's fields
> > (s_last_cno, s_last_pseg, s_last_seq, s_mtime, s_wtime, s_mnt_count,
> > s_state, s_c_interval, s_feature_compat_ro, s_feature_incompat). For
> > example, snapshot can be made before xafile creation on a volume and
> > write-able snapshot should continue to live without possibility to xattr
> > creation, and so on.
>
> OK, please tell me what do you suppose about the writable snapshot.
>
> Do you think we should keep multiple branches or concurrently
> mountable namespaces on one device ?
>
When I think about notion of snapshot then I have such understanding.
Read-only snapshot is a "frozen" file system state. Writable snapshot is
an isolated file system state. So, I started from such understanding in
my considerations.
And I suppose that when we keep in one super root info about several
snapshots then we have "multiple branches" approach. But now we use
"concurrently mountable namespaces" approach for read-only snapshots, as
far as I can see. So, I think that users like and use "concurrently
mountable namespaces" and we should keep and evolve this approach. I
didn't think deeply about writable snapshots yet but maybe it will need
to modify VFS for multiple writable snapshots support (but I haven't any
concrete vision of it). Thereby, maybe, "multiple branches" and
"concurrently mountable namespaces" approaches are not contradictory but
complimentary.
> I prefer to maintain only one super root block per partition even if
> we support writable snapshots. Otherwise, I think we should use
> multiple partitions to simplify the design.
>
> I mean keeping multiple branches in one super root block with a DAT
> file and a sufile in such a case. Maintaining multiple DAT files and
> sufiles on one device seems too complex to me.
>
I suppose that your vision is right. But, anyway, it needs to elaborate
more concrete suggestions for discussion. I simply mentioned about it
but I didn't suggest something concrete. And I am not ready right now to
suggest several ideas. :) Firstly, I want to finish my consideration
about changing of superblocks' in-place update policy.
Anyway, I am going to return to discussion about writable snapshots.
With the best regards,
Vyacheslav Dubeyko.
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2014-01-15 10:44 Does nilfs2 do any in-place writes? Clemens Eisserer
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2014-01-15 10:52 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-01-15 11:44 ` Clemens Eisserer
[not found] ` <CAFvQSYTG6HBVc9iodYyvCejwf889jiwOPsVb1Hi8cDrR9pOGeg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-15 12:01 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-01-15 15:23 ` Ryusuke Konishi
[not found] ` <20140116.002353.94325733.konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16 10:08 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-01-17 22:55 ` Ryusuke Konishi
[not found] ` <20140118.075519.43661574.konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-20 11:54 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko [this message]
2014-01-18 0:00 ` Ryusuke Konishi
[not found] ` <20140118.090008.194171715.konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-28 9:25 ` [static superblock discussion] " Vyacheslav Dubeyko
[not found] ` <1390901114.2942.11.camel-dzAnj6fV1RxGeWtTaGDT1UEK6ufn8VP3@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 12:44 ` Andreas Rohner
[not found] ` <52E8F7A7.8010505-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-29 13:19 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-01-29 18:18 ` Clemens Eisserer
[not found] ` <CAFvQSYSu5CGxs+K6bZUCtq17PrS_paX3bXBuLBRTba_XWYGgAg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 2:46 ` [PATCH 0/1] nilfs2: add mount option that reduces super block writes Andreas Rohner
[not found] ` <cover.1391048231.git.andreas.rohner-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 2:47 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Andreas Rohner
[not found] ` <75ceb45c464097ab556baacf2d15d6ae4b792bb2.1391048231.git.andreas.rohner-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 6:36 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
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2014-01-30 6:02 ` Andreas Rohner
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2014-01-30 7:44 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
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2014-01-30 6:52 ` Andreas Rohner
2014-01-30 9:48 ` Andreas Rohner
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2014-01-30 11:27 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
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2014-01-30 11:33 ` Andreas Rohner
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2014-02-01 19:05 ` Clemens Eisserer
2014-01-30 3:27 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Andreas Rohner
2014-01-30 5:29 ` Ryusuke Konishi
[not found] ` <20140130.142941.55837481.konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 5:59 ` Andreas Rohner
2014-01-30 6:29 ` Andreas Rohner
[not found] ` <52E9F13A.5050805-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 8:46 ` Ryusuke Konishi
2014-01-30 8:35 ` [static superblock discussion] Does nilfs2 do any in-place writes? Vyacheslav Dubeyko
[not found] ` <71B2806D-7CF2-4992-A588-EB73EADFFF9F-yeENwD64cLxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 10:09 ` Clemens Eisserer
[not found] ` <CAFvQSYQ84_BsqVC_ZM77P92jkP+1dh7NexvZWg4mFE7B3wSK0A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 12:42 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
[not found] ` <AE0F313D-5934-452B-80AB-5D691AF8A4BE-yeENwD64cLxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 13:09 ` Clemens Eisserer
[not found] ` <CAFvQSYQGDXmUit1zFZ9_LAjdLjxM-i_yR2L6pwFDX_BEdjdXxQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 13:32 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-01-30 14:03 ` Clemens Eisserer
[not found] ` <CAFvQSYQ-qkXz677-obgHVN5fLQiF10-A=T2yNNAHKRcOGm_Pqw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-30 15:27 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
[not found] ` <720AFF13-6203-4A28-9850-3C2CAFF3B7BF-yeENwD64cLxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-05 20:47 ` Clemens Eisserer
[not found] ` <CAFvQSYStT4uwxqtxATLbPOvHYjww=sw=C=f3vBi_qdu6MXAn5A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-02-07 6:43 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
2014-01-16 10:03 ` Clemens Eisserer
[not found] ` <CAFvQSYSC7+dd93pRH-uok9N+A_s=1VKrfGEppu3qRTg3q=CuXQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-01-16 10:10 ` Vyacheslav Dubeyko
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