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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	marcan@marcan.st, sven@svenpeter.dev, kbusch@kernel.org,
	axboe@kernel.dk, james.smart@broadcom.com, alyssa@rosenzweig.io,
	asahi@lists.linux.dev, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	kch@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] nvme: don't set a virt_boundary unless needed
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 13:17:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231221121746.GA17956@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <155ec506-ede8-42c7-95f7-e8be32800a8d@grimberg.me>

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 11:30:38AM +0200, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
>
>> NVMe PRPs are a pain and force the expensive virt_boundary checking on
>> block layer, prevent secure passthrough and require scatter/gather I/O
>> to be split into multiple commands which is problematic for the upcoming
>> atomic write support.
>
> But is the threshold still correct? meaning for I/Os small enough the
> device will have lower performance? I'm not advocating that we keep it,
> but we should at least mention the tradeoff in the change log.

Chaitanya benchmarked it on the first generation of devices that
supported SGLs.  On the only SGL-enabled device I have there is no
performance penality for using SGLs on small transfer, but I'd love
to see numbers from other setups.

>> For nvme-rdma the virt boundary is always required, as RMDA MRs are just
>> as dumb as NVMe PRPs.
>
> That is actually device dependent. The driver can ask for a pool of
> mrs with type IB_MR_TYPE_SG_GAPS if the device supports IBK_SG_GAPS_REG.
>
> See from ib_srp.c:
> --
>        if (device->attrs.kernel_cap_flags & IBK_SG_GAPS_REG)
>                 mr_type = IB_MR_TYPE_SG_GAPS;
>         else
>                 mr_type = IB_MR_TYPE_MEM_REG;
> --

For that we'd need to support IB_MR_TYPE_SG_GAPS gaps first, which can
be done as an incremental improvement.

>>   +	/*
>> +	 * nvme-apple always uses PRPs and thus needs to set a virt boundary.
>> +	 */
>> +	set_bit(NVME_CTRL_VIRT_BOUNDARY_IO, &anv->ctrl.flags);
>> +	set_bit(NVME_CTRL_VIRT_BOUNDARY_ADMIN, &anv->ctrl.flags);
>> +
>
> Why two flags? Why can't the core just always set the blk virt boundary
> on the admin request queue?

It could, and given that the admin queue isn't performance critical it
probably won't hurt in reality.  But why enforce a really weird limit
on the queue if there is no reason for it?  The only transport that
treats the admin queue different is PCIe, and that's just a spec
oddity.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-21 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-21  8:48 [PATCH] nvme: don't set a virt_boundary unless needed Christoph Hellwig
2023-12-21  9:30 ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-12-21 12:17   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2023-12-21 12:32     ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-12-21 12:40       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-12-25  9:13         ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-12-21 17:03     ` Keith Busch
2023-12-25  9:20       ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-12-22  1:16   ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-12-25 10:08     ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-12-25 10:36       ` Max Gurtovoy
2023-12-25 10:44         ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-12-25 12:31           ` Max Gurtovoy

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