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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
Cc: Chao Shi <coshi036@gmail.com>,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Tatsuya Sasaki <tatsuya6.sasaki@kioxia.com>,
	Maurizio Lombardi <mlombard@arkamax.eu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Sungwoo Kim <iam@sung-woo.kim>,
	Dave Tian <daveti@purdue.edu>, Weidong Zhu <weizhu@fiu.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] nvme: reserve a keep-alive admin tag for all transports
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 10:25:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260521082549.GA11208@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ag4Y5R1X0gkZbU-g@kbusch-mbp>

On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 02:26:13PM -0600, Keith Busch wrote:
> On Fri, May 15, 2026 at 03:12:48AM -0400, Chao Shi wrote:
> > Per NVMe 2.0a section 5.27.1.12 and the transport binding wording,
> > PCIe MAY support KATO. Reserve one admin tag on all transports so
> > the host is ready when a controller accepts the feature. Fabrics
> > keeps two, the second being for the connect command.
> > 
> > A quirk-based approach was considered but no PCIe controller
> > documented to declare KAS != 0 was found (two enterprise SSDs tested
> > locally report KAS=0), so an allowlist has no entries today.
> 
> I totally get it's optional for PCIe, but that also means it's the
> host's option on whether it wants to use it, and there's no requirement
> we have to. We just need the driver react correctly when someone tries
> to do it.
> 
> I am skeptical anyone would produce a PCIe device that supports it, but
> let's say someone does: what is the use case motivating enabling this
> optional feature in this driver? If it's just because the option is
> there, then I think we can just reject the user command submitting the
> feature for PCIe transports, like I earlier suggested. Requiring an
> active command will just harm idle power states.

I don't think that's quite the point.  We'd have to add special
filtering to fix the reproducer.  Compared to that just reserving
a tag and officially supporting the feature is much easier and a much
better story.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-21  8:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-15  7:12 [PATCH v2] nvme: reserve a keep-alive admin tag for all transports Chao Shi
2026-05-19  7:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-20 20:26 ` Keith Busch
2026-05-21  8:25   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2026-05-21 14:38     ` Keith Busch
2026-05-22 12:14       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-22 15:32         ` Chao S
2026-05-22 15:33       ` Chao S

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