From: John Garry <john.garry@linux.dev>
To: Xose Vazquez Perez <xose.vazquez@gmail.com>,
Laurence Oberman <loberman@redhat.com>
Cc: hare@suse.com, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, snitzer@kernel.org,
jmeneghi@redhat.com, dm-devel@lists.linux.dev, hch@lst.de,
michael.christie@oracle.com,
"James E.J. Bottomley" <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
mkp@kernel.org, Benjamin Marzinski <bmarzins@redhat.com>,
Martin Wilck <mwilck@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 00/29] Native SCSI Multipath support
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2026 17:43:02 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d9b34e-1d63-41d2-9c01-595f0f1c7f23@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <00e03246-95dc-46dd-a2f9-89ad88f177d1@gmail.com>
On 11/14/26 13:03, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote:
> On 11/10/26 10:05 AM, John Garry wrote:
>
>> On 11/9/26 20:19, Laurence Oberman wrote:
>>> 3. Smaller points
>>>
>>> - numa with equal NUMA distance uses one path per LUN, so with two AO
>>> paths through two HBAs, half the optimized bandwidth is idle (sdl:2
>>> above under numa). That matches NVMe, but users coming from
>>> dm-multipath service-time will notice. Would round-robin or
>>> queue-depth be a better default for SCSI?
>>
>> Maybe, but round-robin may not be always ideal considering only a bio
>> mode of operation is supported and no merging like dm-mpath RQ mode.
>
> iopolicy can easily be customized per array/device via udev rules.
> Just like it's done for NVMe:
> https://github.com/linux-nvme/nvme-cli/blob/master/nvmf-autoconnect/
> udev-rules/71-nvmf-hpe.rules.in
Sure
>
> Additionally, "service-time" and "latency" I/O policies are currently under
> development:
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-nvme/20261026111019.3724465-1-
> kanie@linux.alibaba.com/T/
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-nvme/20260815173502.1185929-1-
> nilay@linux.ibm.com/T/
I already did an experimental port of the latency iopolicy to
libmultipath. Porting iopolicy schemes to libmultipath is not too
challenging, really.
>
>>> - There is no userspace tool yet to show heads, paths and ALUA state
>>> (the equivalent of multipath -ll or nvme list-subsys). I used a
>>> small sysfs script for this testing. Ben, is native SCSI multipath
>>> support in multipath-tools planned?
>>
>> Well, the whole point is that we don't need userspace tools. However,
>> I appreciate that there is no general SCSI tooling which could help
>> here. I know that Himanshu M did work on a SCSI version of nvme-cli
>> tool previously. Martin may know the status of that.
>
> Agreed that userspace tools are not strictly needed for configuration, but
> observability is key.
> A standard utility to visualize the device topology, path health and ALUA
> states at a glance, similar to what multipath-tools provides, would save a
> lot of friction for sysadmins migrating away from dm-multipath.
> Relying solely on ad-hoc scripts or manual sysfs parsing can become quite
> tedious in production environments.
Right, and any info required here should be available in sysfs.
Thanks,
John
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-11-15 17:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-11-08 20:47 [PATCH v9 00/29] Native SCSI Multipath support John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 01/29] scsi: core: Clear cmd->flags for terminal queuing error John Garry
2026-11-09 20:49 ` Bart Van Assche
2026-11-15 18:37 ` John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 02/29] libmultipath: Add initial framework John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 03/29] libmultipath: Add basic gendisk support John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 04/29] libmultipath: Add path selection support John Garry
2026-11-08 21:07 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 05/29] libmultipath: Add bio handling John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 06/29] libmultipath: Add support for mpath_device management John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 07/29] libmultipath: Add delayed removal support John Garry
2026-11-08 21:11 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 08/29] libmultipath: Add sysfs helpers John Garry
2026-11-08 21:02 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 09/29] libmultipath: Add support for block device IOCTL John Garry
2026-11-08 21:09 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 10/29] libmultipath: Add mpath_bdev_getgeo() John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 11/29] libmultipath: Add mpath_bdev_get_unique_id() John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 12/29] scsi-multipath: introduce basic SCSI device support John Garry
2026-11-08 21:02 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 13/29] scsi-multipath: introduce scsi_device head structure John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 14/29] scsi-multipath: provide sysfs link from to scsi_device John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 15/29] scsi-multipath: support iopolicy John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 16/29] scsi-multipath: clone each bio John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 17/29] scsi-multipath: clear path when device is blocked John Garry
2026-11-08 21:06 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 18/29] scsi-multipath: revalidate paths upon device unblock John Garry
2026-11-08 21:08 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 19/29] scsi-multipath: failover handling John Garry
2026-11-08 21:15 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 20/29] scsi-multipath: provide callbacks for path state John Garry
2026-11-08 21:05 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 21/29] scsi-multipath: add scsi_mpath_{start,end}_request() John Garry
2026-11-08 21:28 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 22/29] scsi-multipath: update request for terminal request queuing error John Garry
2026-11-08 21:09 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 23/29] scsi-multipath: add delayed disk removal support John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 24/29] scsi: sd: add multipath disk class John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 25/29] scsi: sd: add multipath disk attr groups John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 26/29] scsi: sd: support multipath disk John Garry
2026-11-08 21:23 ` sashiko-bot
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 27/29] scsi: sd: add mpath_dev file John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 28/29] scsi: sd: add mpath_numa_nodes dev attribute John Garry
2026-11-08 20:47 ` [PATCH v9 29/29] scsi: sd: add mpath_queue_depth " John Garry
2026-11-09 20:19 ` [PATCH v9 00/29] Native SCSI Multipath support Laurence Oberman
[not found] ` <3332329d-b922-45a4-8333-e8353e983885@linux.dev>
2026-11-14 13:03 ` Xose Vazquez Perez
2026-11-14 16:29 ` Laurence Oberman
2026-11-14 19:59 ` Laurence Oberman
2026-11-15 17:43 ` John Garry [this message]
2026-11-15 18:59 ` John Garry
2026-11-15 19:50 ` Laurence Oberman
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