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From: Kanchan Joshi <joshi.k@samsung.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: axboe@kernel.dk, kbusch@kernel.org, sagi@grimberg.me,
	martin.petersen@oracle.com,
	James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com, brauner@kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, jack@suse.cz, jaegeuk@kernel.org,
	jlayton@kernel.org, chuck.lever@oracle.com, bvanassche@acm.org,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	gost.dev@samsung.com, vishak.g@samsung.com,
	javier.gonz@samsung.com, Nitesh Shetty <nj.shetty@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 4/5] sd: limit to use write life hints
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:54:51 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <edcbf69e-9ae9-06df-60c0-47393371fcd8@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240918120159.GA20658@lst.de>

On 9/18/2024 5:31 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 01:42:51PM +0530, Kanchan Joshi wrote:
>> Would you prefer a new queue attribute (say nr_streams) that tells that?
> 
> No.  For one because using the same file descriptors as the one used
> to set the hind actually makes it usable - finding the block device
> does not.  And second as told about half a dozend time for this scheme
> to actually work on a regular file the file system actually needs the
> arbiter, as it can work on top of multiple block devices, consumes
> streams, might export streams even if the underlying devices don't and
> so on.
> 

FS managed/created hints is a different topic altogether, and honestly 
that is not the scope of this series. That needs to be thought at per-FS 
level due to different data/meta layouts.
This scope of this series is to enable application-managed hints passing 
through the file system. FS only needs to pass what it receives. No 
active decision making (since application is doing that). Whether it 
works fine or not - is application's problem. But due to the simplicity 
it scales across filesystems. This is for the class of applications that 
know about their data and have decided to be in control.

Regardless, since placement-hints are not getting the reception I 
imagined, I will backtrack.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-24  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20240910151040epcas5p3f47fa7ea37a35f8b44dd9174689e1bb9@epcas5p3.samsung.com>
2024-09-10 15:01 ` [PATCH v5 0/5] data placement hints and FDP Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-10 15:01   ` [PATCH v5 1/5] fs, block: refactor enum rw_hint Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-12 12:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-12 15:50       ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-12 20:30         ` Bart Van Assche
2024-09-13  7:22           ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-10 15:01   ` [PATCH v5 2/5] fcntl: rename rw_hint_* to rw_lifetime_hint_* Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-12 12:54     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-12 15:51       ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-10 15:01   ` [PATCH v5 3/5] fcntl: add F_{SET/GET}_RW_HINT_EX Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-10 18:48     ` Jens Axboe
2024-09-11 15:50       ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-12 13:01     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-12 15:53       ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-12 20:36     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-09-13  7:15       ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-10 15:01   ` [PATCH v5 4/5] sd: limit to use write life hints Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-12 13:02     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-12 16:31       ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-13  8:06         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-16 13:49           ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-17  6:20             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-17 16:03               ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-17 17:00                 ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-18  6:42                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-18  8:12                   ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-09-18 12:01                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-24  9:24                       ` Kanchan Joshi [this message]
2024-09-24  9:28                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-09-10 15:02   ` [PATCH v5 5/5] nvme: enable FDP support Kanchan Joshi
2025-01-29  0:56   ` [f2fs-dev] [PATCH v5 0/5] data placement hints and FDP patchwork-bot+f2fs

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