* [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks on a K5 80 Help Required]
@ 2002-09-04 1:02 Steve.Grady
2002-09-04 2:23 ` [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks on a K580 " Tobias Giesen
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From: Steve.Grady @ 2002-09-04 1:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: parisc-linux
I have been trying to load debian 3.0 onto my K580 and going around in
circles.
My problem is that I only have disks available that will work on the Single
ended SCSI bus.
The Ultra Wide bus, as has been pointed out previously, is HVD not LVD and I
do not have HVD drives
and they are not easily obtainable at a reasonable price here in Australia.
The PDC will not recognise HD's on the SE bus it will scan them but IMHO the
firmware is set to only
recognise and use the CD and the DDS-3 tape drive. The kernel, booted from
the CD, will recognise the HD
on the SE bus and will load Linux onto the drive but at reboot time I cannot
find the drive.
It was previously suggested that I boot from the tape which I can do using
the following Lif image
lifimage-2.4.18-pa59-PDC-20020728 but this brings me back to the debian
startup screen for HD initialisation
not the script to setup the system (password and extra packages etc).
I have been going around in circles playing with the IPL boot parameters (
like specifying root=/dev/sds3 deleting initrd etc) trying to get it to
continue setup but unsuccessfully.
Does anyone know, using the above LIF image, what IPL boot parameters to
specify to get it to continue an installation on /dev/sda3 root file system.
Or else what do I load on the tape drive ?
Any help would be appreciated or else I will have to get a HVD SCSI drive.
Thanks,
Steve Grady
>
> --- Steve.Grady@csiro.au wrote:
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Averell Eisner [mailto:a_eisner@eisner.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 8:27 AM
> > > To: Steve.Grady@csiro.au
> > > Cc: parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] SCSI Disks on a K580 Help Required
> > >
> > >
> > > Possible issues:
> > >
> > > "First try." The internal disk drives in the K580 are fast wide
> > > differential. The differential is high voltage differential, not
> > low
> > > voltage differential. Could be that the Maxtor 4.5GB UW is
> > > the wrong type.
> >
> >
> > Well I hope I have not damaged the drive
> >
> >
> > >
> > > "Second try." The normal cable in the K580 that goes to the
> > > tape and CD
> > > only has two open scsi connections plus the terminator. One
> > > connection
> > > for tape, another for the CD. Did you substitute another
> cable with
> > a
> > > third open scsi connection?
> >
> >
> > Yes I substituted another cable (It did not come with any cables,
> > they were
> > removed with the drive)
> > It was properly terminated by an external terminator. As I
> said after
> > boot
> > from the CD a drive on the
> > single ended bus was detected ( and the CD and Tape) by the kernel
> > but was
> > not detected by boot.
> >
> > It has been suggested by someone else (they did not reply to list)
> > that I
> > boot from CD which seems to me
> > the easiest work-around.
> >
> > Thank for the assistance,
> >
> >
> > Steve Grady
> >
> > >
> > > Just guessing.
> > >
> > > Averell
> > > Steve.Grady@csiro.au wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I got my hands on a K580 Quad processors, 4G Ram, CD, DDS3
> > > Tape drive,
> > > > 2 Fibre Channels on HSC, Dual 100BaseT network
> connectors on HSC,
> > > > FW SCSI on HSC and 2 SCSI interface on HPPB (OK I know the
> > > HPPB is not
> > > > supported)
> > > > but no hard disks.
> > > >
> > > > Previously I have installed PA-Linux on a 735/125.
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to install
> > > palinux-2.4.18-pa59-ppc-20020728-netinstall image on
> > > > the K580
> > > > I am using a variety of SCSI disks I am trying to install
> > > to but I am having
> > > > problems.
> > > >
> > > > The disks are being installed internally on the K580. I
> > > have downloaded the
> > > > users guide
> > > > from docs.hp.com.
> > > >
> > > > First Try
> > > >
> > > > I installed Tape and CD to Single ended bus of the Disk
> > > cage and install a
> > > > Maxtor Altas II
> > > > 4.5G UW to ultra wide bus of Disk Cage and yes the cable
> > > was terminated.
> > > >
> > > > The boot process found the CD, DDS3 but not the disk. I
> > > could boot from CD
> > > > but the installer
> > > > complained about on disk.
> > > >
> > > > Second Try
> > > >
> > > > I installed Tape and CD to Single ended bus of the Disk
> > > cage and install a
> > > > Seagate
> > > > 2.1G SE to SE bus of Disk Cage in parallel with the CD and Tape.
> > > >
> > > > The boot process found the CD, DDS3 but not the disk. I
> > > could boot from CD
> > > > but the installer
> > > > found the disk CD and Tape. I installed to disk and at
> > > reboot boot could not
> > > > find the disk
> > > > only the tape and the CD.
> > > >
> > > > All other trys
> > > >
> > > > I have tried various combinations but have not succeed in
> > > get the boot to
> > > > recognised the
> > > > hard disk. I cannot get Pa-linux to recognised the Ultra
> > > Wide bus which
> > > > leaves me to question
> > > > whether it is supported or do I have a hardware problem.
> > > >
> > > > The Boot reports through its Search for Boot devices
> > > function that it finds
> > > >
> > > > The 2 FC devices
> > > > the Lan (which I assume is the 10BaseT on the Core IO not
> > > the 100BaseT)
> > > > a sequential device (Tape Drive)
> > > > a random device (CD)
> > > >
> > > > The primary boot device at present seems to me to be set up
> > > for the Fibre
> > > > Channel
> > > > (I think the I am not used to the addressing).
> > > >
> > > > I have thought of Rboot or tftboot the K580 from the
> > > 735 and then the
> > > > kernel will
> > > > recognise the disk. But this is not useful in the long
> > > term as I may get
> > > > rid of the 735
> > > > and my Intel box which is my main server as I want to make
> > > the K580 my main
> > > > server.
> > > >
> > > > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Steve Grady
> > > >
> > > > BTW Thanks for a great port my little 735 just sits there
> > > and works (mostly
> > > > running SETI)
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > http://lists.parisc-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/parisc-linux
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Averell
> > >
> > > Eisner Associates, Inc. Phone: 908-233-6585
> > > 516 North Ave. East FAX: 908-233-0710
> > > P.O. Box 2489
> > > Westfield, NJ 07090
> > >
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* RE: [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks on a K580 Help Required]
2002-09-04 1:02 [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks on a K5 80 Help Required] Steve.Grady
@ 2002-09-04 2:23 ` Tobias Giesen
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From: Tobias Giesen @ 2002-09-04 2:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: parisc-linux
> My problem is that I only have disks available that
> will work on the Single ended SCSI bus.
Where did the original hard disk that came with the machine go?
Maybe you can get a small UW SCSI hard disk cheap from eBay or something
like that and use it for the root partition only. A few hundred MB's
would suffice.
Cheers,
Tobias
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* RE: [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks on a K580 Help Required]
@ 2002-09-04 2:37 Steve.Grady
2002-09-04 4:41 ` Grant Grundler
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From: Steve.Grady @ 2002-09-04 2:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: tobias_subscriber; +Cc: parisc-linux
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tobias Giesen [mailto:tobias_subscriber@tgtools.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 September 2002 12:23 PM
> To: parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org
> Subject: RE: [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks
> on a K580 Help Required]
>
>
> > My problem is that I only have disks available that
> > will work on the Single ended SCSI bus.
>
> Where did the original hard disk that came with the machine go?
I bought the K580 without it I have approached the guy I bought it from to
see if I
can purchase the drive but he has not followed it up yet.
I have looked on ebay but HVD UW SCSI disks are rare most are SCSI-3 LVD/SE
disks
and HVD is not compatible with LVD except by a translator which costs about
$1.5K AUD which
was more than I paid for the K580.
I know I should be able to boot from the tape (maybe I am a masochist) I
think this is my best shot
until I can find a HVD disk, if I can work out to tell the system how.
Thanks,
Steve Grady
>
> Maybe you can get a small UW SCSI hard disk cheap from eBay
> or something
> like that and use it for the root partition only. A few hundred MB's
> would suffice.
>
> Cheers,
> Tobias
>
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* Re: [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks on a K580 Help Required]
2002-09-04 2:37 Steve.Grady
@ 2002-09-04 4:41 ` Grant Grundler
2002-09-05 0:13 ` Derek Engelhaupt
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From: Grant Grundler @ 2002-09-04 4:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steve.Grady; +Cc: parisc-linux
Steve.Grady@csiro.au wrote:
> and HVD is not compatible with LVD except by a translator which costs
> about $1.5K AUD which was more than I paid for the K580.
I didn't believe you until I found:
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwk200/images/paralan -SRP pricelist 2002.pdf
You might try to order HDs here:
http://www.weirdstuff.com/
They've got "Compaq" C2490A and "HP" C2490-60062 (both 2.1GB) for $40.
You want "C2490WD" model - just like Seagate drives have "WD" for HVD.
Or the ST32550WD for $22 seems like a winner:
http://liquidationetc.safeshopper.com/32/15179.htm?103
grant
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* Re: [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks on a K580 Help Required]
2002-09-04 4:41 ` Grant Grundler
@ 2002-09-05 0:13 ` Derek Engelhaupt
2002-09-05 5:22 ` Grant Grundler
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From: Derek Engelhaupt @ 2002-09-05 0:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: parisc-linux
All good advice Grant "except" about buying a C2490A drive....DON'T. I
replace them constantly. Forgive my language....they are #@$%. They
are unreliable at best and loud. Heck I have (5) C2490A's sitting in
my garage in an old HP 6000 Fast/Wide enclosure. I'll probably never
use them. You could put 4 of them on the internal cable of your K580
and have the 5th as spare. I'd let you have all of them for $40 plus
shipping. Just keep good back-ups if you use them.....;)
derek
--- Grant Grundler <grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com> wrote:
> Steve.Grady@csiro.au wrote:
> > and HVD is not compatible with LVD except by a translator which
> costs
> > about $1.5K AUD which was more than I paid for the K580.
>
> I didn't believe you until I found:
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jwk200/images/paralan -SRP pricelist
> 2002.pdf
>
> You might try to order HDs here:
> http://www.weirdstuff.com/
>
> They've got "Compaq" C2490A and "HP" C2490-60062 (both 2.1GB) for
> $40.
> You want "C2490WD" model - just like Seagate drives have "WD" for
> HVD.
>
> Or the ST32550WD for $22 seems like a winner:
> http://liquidationetc.safeshopper.com/32/15179.htm?103
>
> grant
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* Re: [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks on a K580 Help Required]
2002-09-05 0:13 ` Derek Engelhaupt
@ 2002-09-05 5:22 ` Grant Grundler
2002-09-05 5:39 ` Derek Engelhaupt
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From: Grant Grundler @ 2002-09-05 5:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Derek Engelhaupt; +Cc: parisc-linux
Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
> All good advice Grant "except" about buying a C2490A drive....DON'T.
no offense taken. I've seen more than my fair share of ugly problems
with that drive as well. The HP division that produced those was shut
down around the time those drives reached "end of product life".
I only suggested them because they were supported in the Kclass.
grant
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* Re: [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks on a K580 Help Required]
2002-09-05 5:22 ` Grant Grundler
@ 2002-09-05 5:39 ` Derek Engelhaupt
2002-09-05 5:53 ` R P Herrold
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From: Derek Engelhaupt @ 2002-09-05 5:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: parisc-linux
The really only "good" thing about them is you can usually tell when
they are about to go bad by the strange sounds they make....;)
derek
--- Grant Grundler <grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com> wrote:
> Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
> > All good advice Grant "except" about buying a C2490A
> drive....DON'T.
>
> no offense taken. I've seen more than my fair share of ugly problems
> with that drive as well. The HP division that produced those was
> shut
> down around the time those drives reached "end of product life".
>
> I only suggested them because they were supported in the Kclass.
>
> grant
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* Re: [parisc-linux] IPL Boot Parameters [Originally SCSI Disks on a K580 Help Required]
2002-09-05 5:39 ` Derek Engelhaupt
@ 2002-09-05 5:53 ` R P Herrold
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From: R P Herrold @ 2002-09-05 5:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Derek Engelhaupt; +Cc: parisc-linux
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
> The really only "good" thing about them is you can usually tell when
> they are about to go bad by the strange sounds they make....;)
As I have been talking a customer (new CIO's first alligator
wrestle) through 'revivng'a K-220 with a dead boot drive
[error: WARN A008 == no more boot drive], and no 'ignite'
tape, from 300 miles away, hearing it was not really possible
<grin>
-- Russ Herrold
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