RE: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

RE: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

["Beerse, Corné"]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2838 bytes --]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harri Haataja [mailto:harri.haataja@smilehouse.com]
> 
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 05:34:47PM +0200, "Beerse, Corné" wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Grant Grundler [mailto:grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com]
> > > Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
> > > > Well, don't think any other manufacturer made memory for the 715
> > > > series.  I have looked at Dataram and others, but they only seem
> > > > to have memory for the D,K,N,L, and A class servers.
> > > I thought Kingston *did* (maybe no more).
> > I recal by head (and might be wrong) to have used pc-based memory
> > modules in a 712/80. There was something with parity (it needs it or
> > it hates it, don't know).
> 
> You usually hear that HP uses similiar form but completely different
> ram. But that's mostly on 715/735/800, maybe 712 was different. That
> would be a pleasant surprise.
> Mostly you always want parity. I would doubt anything explicitly
> demanding no parity.

Harri is right here, I was mixing SunSparc and HP-PARisk architectures. The
712 memory does NOT fit (without a hamer).

> 
> > Try what the bootloader says if you fit it with pc-based memory
> > modules, that have the same physical lay-out. (edo-ram is a 
> term that
> > comes to mind, try it or it's predecessor).
> 
> EDO AFAIK never occurs together with ECC so that's the word to avoid
> when looking for ram for older workstations ad servers.
> 36-bit FPM True-parity ECC SIMMs are what work in, for example, DEC
> Alpha AXPpci, Multia, SGI Indy, Indigo², matching Challenges, 
> IBM RS6000
> 7006 and other machines of the era and most(?) pc's. No kind 
> of EDO ram
> works.
> 
> > I might be totaly wrong here, in those days (a former job) 
> I was using
> > both SunSparc stations and HP 712 machines.
> 
> Sparcstations mostly use weird rams like JEDEC DIMM's apart from the
> very old ones that use 36-pin simm's that seem regular.

Sun Sparc ELC and SunSparcClassic (and similar Sparc 4C architecture?) can
use the same memory modules as 486-PC's. Those are NOT edo ram as in
pentium-pc's, however they do fit... It might not be what Sun tells, it is
wat is currently running at home...

> 
> 
> This is what I remember. No guarantees either.

I've tried EDO ram in a SParc Classic but it does not show up. After a short
test (15 minutes power on and try to use it) I experienced no damage on both
processorboard or memory. Then, again: no guarantees...

> 
> -- 
> I used to herd dairy cows. Now I herd lusers. Apart from the 
> isolation,
> I think I preferred the cows. They were better conversation, easier to
> milk, and if they annoyed me enough, I could shoot them and eat them.
> 		-- Rodger Donaldson 

Now I know where the name "tucows" comes from ;-)



CBee

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 4972 bytes --]

RE: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

[M. Grabert]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, "Beerse, Corn=E9" wrote:

> > EDO AFAIK never occurs together with ECC so that's the word to avoid
> > when looking for ram for older workstations ad servers.

That's not true, there are some EDO Rams with ECC, 'though rather rare.

> > 36-bit FPM True-parity ECC SIMMs are what work in, for example, DEC
> > Alpha AXPpci, Multia, SGI Indy, Indigo=B2, matching Challenges,
> > IBM RS6000
> > 7006 and other machines of the era and most(?) pc's. No kind
> > of EDO ram
> > works.
> >
> > > I might be totaly wrong here, in those days (a former job)
> > I was using
> > > both SunSparc stations and HP 712 machines.
> >
> > Sparcstations mostly use weird rams like JEDEC DIMM's apart from the
> > very old ones that use 36-pin simm's that seem regular.
>
> Sun Sparc ELC and SunSparcClassic (and similar Sparc 4C architecture?) ca=
n
> use the same memory modules as 486-PC's. Those are NOT edo ram as in
> pentium-pc's, however they do fit... It might not be what Sun tells, it i=
s
> wat is currently running at home...

Sun SPARCstation LX/ZX also use 36bit (true parity) FP-RAM. The
ones you find in old 486 will just do fine, if they have ECC.

> > This is what I remember. No guarantees either.
>
> I've tried EDO ram in a SParc Classic but it does not show up. After a sh=
ort
> test (15 minutes power on and try to use it) I experienced no damage on b=
oth
> processorboard or memory. Then, again: no guarantees...

EDO Ram is not supported on SPARCstation classics/IPC/IPX (sun4c) and
SPARCstation LX/ZX (sun4m). You NEED FastPage mode (aka "normal", pre-EDO) =
RAM.
IMHO that's strange, since EDO RAM is supposed to be backwards compatible
IIRC. Or was this just a feature of 386/486 Motherboards?

greetings max

RE: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

["Beerse, Corné"]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1039 bytes --]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Grant Grundler [mailto:grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com]
> Sent: donderdag 10 oktober 2002 17:28
> To: Derek Engelhaupt
> Cc: parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80? 
> 
> 
> Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
> > Well, don't think any other manufacturer made memory for the 715
> > series.  I have looked at Dataram and others, but they only seem to
> > have memory for the D,K,N,L, and A class servers.
> 
> I thought Kingston *did* (maybe no more).

I recal by head (and might be wrong) to have used pc-based memory modules in
a 712/80. There was something with parity (it needs it or it hates it, don't
know).

Try what the bootloader says if you fit it with pc-based memory modules,
that have the same physical lay-out. (edo-ram is a term that comes to mind,
try it or it's predecessor).

I might be totaly wrong here, in those days (a former job) I was using both
SunSparc stations and HP 712 machines.

I don't give any guaranties....

Success

CBee

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2004 bytes --]

Re: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

[Harri Haataja]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 05:34:47PM +0200, "Beerse, Corné" wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Grant Grundler [mailto:grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com]
> > Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
> > > Well, don't think any other manufacturer made memory for the 715
> > > series.  I have looked at Dataram and others, but they only seem
> > > to have memory for the D,K,N,L, and A class servers.
> > I thought Kingston *did* (maybe no more).
> I recal by head (and might be wrong) to have used pc-based memory
> modules in a 712/80. There was something with parity (it needs it or
> it hates it, don't know).

You usually hear that HP uses similiar form but completely different
ram. But that's mostly on 715/735/800, maybe 712 was different. That
would be a pleasant surprise.
Mostly you always want parity. I would doubt anything explicitly
demanding no parity.

> Try what the bootloader says if you fit it with pc-based memory
> modules, that have the same physical lay-out. (edo-ram is a term that
> comes to mind, try it or it's predecessor).

EDO AFAIK never occurs together with ECC so that's the word to avoid
when looking for ram for older workstations ad servers.
36-bit FPM True-parity ECC SIMMs are what work in, for example, DEC
Alpha AXPpci, Multia, SGI Indy, Indigo², matching Challenges, IBM RS6000
7006 and other machines of the era and most(?) pc's. No kind of EDO ram
works.

> I might be totaly wrong here, in those days (a former job) I was using
> both SunSparc stations and HP 712 machines.

Sparcstations mostly use weird rams like JEDEC DIMM's apart from the
very old ones that use 36-pin simm's that seem regular.


This is what I remember. No guarantees either.

-- 
I used to herd dairy cows. Now I herd lusers. Apart from the isolation,
I think I preferred the cows. They were better conversation, easier to
milk, and if they annoyed me enough, I could shoot them and eat them.
		-- Rodger Donaldson 

Re: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

[E Frank Ball]

On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 07:23:17PM +0300, Harri Haataja wrote:
} On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 05:34:47PM +0200, "Beerse, Corné" wrote:
} > > -----Original Message-----
} > > From: Grant Grundler [mailto:grundlerOdsl2.external.hp.com]
} > > Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
} > > > Well, don't think any other manufacturer made memory for the 715
} > > > series.  I have looked at Dataram and others, but they only seem
} > > > to have memory for the D,K,N,L, and A class servers.
} > > I thought Kingston *did* (maybe no more).
} > I recal by head (and might be wrong) to have used pc-based memory
} > modules in a 712/80. There was something with parity (it needs it or
} > it hates it, don't know).
} 
} You usually hear that HP uses similiar form but completely different
} ram. But that's mostly on 715/735/800, maybe 712 was different. That
} would be a pleasant surprise.

715/725/745 and the 712 all use the same type memory.  The 730/735 used
another type, and the 755 used a unique type.

-- 

   E Frank Ball                frankb@efball.com

[parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

[Christian Weerts]

My 715/80 has a memory problem. Perhaps i need new memory.
Which is the right one to buy?

Greets,
    Christian

-- 
May the Source be with you...

Re: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

[Thibaut VARENE]

Christian Weerts wrote:
> My 715/80 has a memory problem. Perhaps i need new memory.
> Which is the right one to buy?
you may probably find the answer here:
http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/main?sel_flg=modinfo&model=9000/715/80

HTH,


Thibaut VARENE
PA/Linux ESIEE Team
http://pateam.esiee.fr/

Re: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

[Christian Weerts]

* Thibaut VARENE <varenet@esiee.fr> [021009 21:36]:
> Christian Weerts wrote:
> >My 715/80 has a memory problem. Perhaps i need new memory.
> >Which is the right one to buy?
> you may probably find the answer here:
> http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/main?sel_flg=modinfo&model=9000/715/80
> 
Thanks! That's what I'm looking for the whole last week.

Can I use other SIMMs with ECC from any other contributor,
or is the use of these SIMMs recommended?

Greets,
    Christian

-- 
May the Source be with you...

Re: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

[Derek Engelhaupt]

Well, don't think any other manufacturer made memory for the 715
series.  I have looked at Dataram and others, but they only seem to
have memory for the D,K,N,L, and A class servers.  What size are your
simms in your box?  I have some 8MB ones laying around here that I'm
not using.  It's the same memory that is used in the 712's.

derek


--- Christian Weerts <cw@familie-weerts.de> wrote:
> * Thibaut VARENE <varenet@esiee.fr> [021009 21:36]:
> > Christian Weerts wrote:
> > >My 715/80 has a memory problem. Perhaps i need new memory.
> > >Which is the right one to buy?
> > you may probably find the answer here:
> >
>
http://partsurfer.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/main?sel_flg=modinfo&model=9000/715/80
> > 
> Thanks! That's what I'm looking for the whole last week.
> 
> Can I use other SIMMs with ECC from any other contributor,
> or is the use of these SIMMs recommended?
> 
> Greets,
>     Christian
> 
> -- 
> May the Source be with you...
> _______________________________________________
> parisc-linux mailing list
> parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org
> http://lists.parisc-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/parisc-linux


__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More
http://faith.yahoo.com

Re: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

[Grant Grundler]

Derek Engelhaupt wrote:
> Well, don't think any other manufacturer made memory for the 715
> series.  I have looked at Dataram and others, but they only seem to
> have memory for the D,K,N,L, and A class servers.

I thought Kingston *did* (maybe no more).
Might still check there.

grant

Re: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?

[Yves Bodack]

From: "Christian Weerts" <cw@familie-weerts.de>
Subject: [parisc-linux] Which Memory to use on a 715/80?


> My 715/80 has a memory problem. Perhaps i need new memory.
> Which is the right one to buy?

I've tried FPM Parity RAM in my 712 and it didn't work. I'm shure it's same
on 715,
but you can get it quite cheap on eBay.de (Computer/Workstations).
I have 48MB (6x8MB) spare modules, if you are interested, i sell them to
you. Send me an off list mail.

Greetings,
Yves...