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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>
To: Grant Grundler <grundler@parisc-linux.org>
Cc: John David Anglin <dave@hiauly1.hia.nrc.ca>,
	parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org
Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] coherent ops and mb() revisited
Date: 06 Sep 2004 10:15:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1094480131.2037.6.camel@mulgrave> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040906041952.GA17107@colo.lackof.org>

On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 00:19, Grant Grundler wrote:
> Actaully, I don't think it's irrelevant.  If a lock is contended for,
> re-ordering by gcc could excerbate the problem by adding additional
> instructions (good for the instruction pipeline) to the "critical
> section" (the period we actually hold the lock).

But that's what placing the mb() after the spinlock code does: confines
the critical section and prevents gcc reordering around it.

> I know, lock contention is bad and it should never happen.
> Reality is some workload will contend for a lock. I want to
> have some confidence gcc is not making it any worse.
> This is why I'm asking about use of "memory" in the actual
> asm instruction that either acquire or release the lock
> instead of using mb().

You probably get slightly more confinement by using mb() instead of the
"memory" clobber in __ldcw().  But really it's insignificant.  What
appeals to me is that the barrier in the spinlocks is explicit.  If the
spinlocks were fully asm coded, like for example x86, then adding a
"memory" clobber would make sense, but they're not, they're coded in C
with a little asm help.

James


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-06 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-05  1:38 [parisc-linux] coherent ops and mb() revisited Grant Grundler
2004-09-05  2:56 ` James Bottomley
2004-09-05  6:27   ` John David Anglin
2004-09-05 14:36     ` James Bottomley
2004-09-06  4:19       ` Grant Grundler
2004-09-06  9:24         ` John David Anglin
2004-09-06 14:15         ` James Bottomley [this message]
2004-09-07 15:17           ` Grant Grundler
2004-09-07 15:30             ` James Bottomley
2004-09-08 16:52               ` Grant Grundler
2004-09-08 17:11                 ` James Bottomley
2004-09-10 16:11                   ` Grant Grundler

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