[parisc-linux] dselect problems

[parisc-linux] dselect problems

[E Frank Ball]

I have a 712/80 and a graphics monitor (HP A1097C).  I got the base
system running from the palinux-0.9-32sti.iso CD.

I then tried to run "dpkg-reconfigure base-config".  It got to where it
is supposed to install the packages and died with a message:  failed
running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true
apt-utils is not installed.

I got apt-utils to install with "apt-get install apt-utils", but now I
can't get anything else to install either with dselect or apt-get.  I
get errors about "couldn't stat source package list cdrom...
- stat (2 no such file or directory).

"which stat" shows nothing.  I don't see a stat package either.
This is my first experience with Debian.

Any clues?, Thanks.

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Re: [parisc-linux] dselect problems

[E Frank Ball]

On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 02:02:12PM -0700, E Frank Ball wrote:
} 
} I have a 712/80 and a graphics monitor (HP A1097C).  I got the base
} system running from the palinux-0.9-32sti.iso CD.

It had rebooted ok a couple of times, but now it get to starting cron,
then register dumps with a kernel fault.

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Re: [parisc-linux] dselect problems

[Richard Hirst]

On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 02:18:07PM -0700, E Frank Ball wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 02:02:12PM -0700, E Frank Ball wrote:
> } 
> } I have a 712/80 and a graphics monitor (HP A1097C).  I got the base
> } system running from the palinux-0.9-32sti.iso CD.
> 
> It had rebooted ok a couple of times, but now it get to starting cron,
> then register dumps with a kernel fault.

As mentioned in the errata <http://parisc-linux.org/release-0.9/errata.html>,
sti installs have a tendency to crash on reboot at the moment.  If this is a
repeatable problem, I'd be interested in the register dump.

Richard

[parisc-linux] Kernel faults on boot

[Peter Weilbacher]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Richard Hirst wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 02:18:07PM -0700, E Frank Ball wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 02:02:12PM -0700, E Frank Ball wrote:
> > }
> > } I have a 712/80 and a graphics monitor (HP A1097C).  I got the base
> > } system running from the palinux-0.9-32sti.iso CD.
> >
> > It had rebooted ok a couple of times, but now it get to starting cron,
> > then register dumps with a kernel fault.
>
> As mentioned in the errata <http://parisc-linux.org/release-0.9/errata.html>,
> sti installs have a tendency to crash on reboot at the moment.  If this is a
> repeatable problem, I'd be interested in the register dump.

Hi!

I have played with a 712/60 and had the same problem as Frank. I got
it installed over the first reboot, but after a the next one on
every reboot it crashed with Kernel faults at cron.

Now I have reinstalled and I do not get over the reboot. Is it
explained somewhere, which I need to write down, to help you debug
the problem? (I guess it doesn't make it into any logs, which I
could look at by putting the disk on another machine.)

Greetings,
	Peter.

[parisc-linux] Re: Kernel faults on boot

[Richard Hirst]

On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 07:28:51PM +0200, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> I have played with a 712/60 and had the same problem as Frank. I got
> it installed over the first reboot, but after a the next one on
> every reboot it crashed with Kernel faults at cron.
> 
> Now I have reinstalled and I do not get over the reboot. Is it
> explained somewhere, which I need to write down, to help you debug
> the problem? (I guess it doesn't make it into any logs, which I
> could look at by putting the disk on another machine.)

I expect to get my hands on a 712 very soon, so I'll see if I can
reproduce this problem.  So far as what you can write down for me...
Usually a kernel crash gives a stack dump followed by the fault type
and address, then a bunch of registers.  I'm not too interested in the
stack dump (which has probably scrolled off the screen, anyway), but
everything after the stack dump would be useful.

You could interact with the IPL and add 'init=/bin/sh' to the parameters.
It might at least boot to a shell prompt then.  It is unlikely to be
cron itself that causes the problem, but just in case you could disable
it by renaming /usr/sbin/cron.  Something like

boot to a shell
e2fsck /dev/sda<whatever your root device is>
mount -o remount,rw /
mv /usr/sbin/cron /usr/sbin/cron.ori
sync
mount -o remount,ro /
hit the reset button and try a normal boot again


Thanks,
  Richard

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Kernel faults on boot

[Peter Weilbacher]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Richard Hirst wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 07:28:51PM +0200, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> > I have played with a 712/60 and had the same problem as Frank. I got
> > it installed over the first reboot, but after a the next one on
> > every reboot it crashed with Kernel faults at cron.
> >
> > Now I have reinstalled and I do not get over the reboot. Is it
> > explained somewhere, which I need to write down, to help you debug
> > the problem? (I guess it doesn't make it into any logs, which I
> > could look at by putting the disk on another machine.)
>
> I expect to get my hands on a 712 very soon, so I'll see if I can
> reproduce this problem.  So far as what you can write down for me...
> Usually a kernel crash gives a stack dump followed by the fault type
> and address, then a bunch of registers.  I'm not too interested in the
> stack dump (which has probably scrolled off the screen, anyway), but
> everything after the stack dump would be useful.

Hmm, it seems that the numbers change every time, but here are the
ones from the last instance:

	Kernel Fault: Code=15 regs=1051ca80 (Addr=1dc0ce18)

	     YZrvWESTHLNXBCVMcbcbcbcbOGFRQPDI
	PSW: 00000000000001000000000000001111
	r0-3o 00000000 10236000 10193d70 1dc0cd18
	r4-7o 146fc000 102fe13c 00000001 00000100
	r8-11o 4020b1a8 00000000 00000004 146ff000
	r12-15o 00000100 00000030 00003000 102fe138
	r16-19o 00000080 1051c908 00000001 14786000
	r20-23o 146fc000 102959f8 101da1d4 00000000
	r24-27o 000000ff 1dc0ce18 146fc000 10268010
	r28-31o 00001920 00000004 1051ccc0 10192c78
	sr0-3o 00000000 0000012a 00000000 0000012a
	sr4-7o 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

	IASQ: 00000000 00000000 IAOQ: 10236234 10236238
	 IIR: 0f221033    ISR: 00000000  IOR: 1dc0ce18
	 ORIG_R28: 1005f210

Phew, quite a work to type all this stuff, I am glad that you are
not interested in the stack... Perhaps this is useful.

In the meantime I noticed that about every 6th time it boots up
without crashing, but the keyboard setting from the installation
(German) was obviously not saved.

Peter.

AW: [parisc-linux] Re: Kernel faults on boot

[Nicolai Leymann]

Hi,

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: parisc-linux-admin@lists.parisc-linux.org
> [mailto:parisc-linux-admin@lists.parisc-linux.org]Im Auftrag von Peter
> Weilbacher
> Gesendet: Montag, 11. Juni 2001 13:18
> An: Richard Hirst
> Cc: parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org
> Betreff: Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Kernel faults on boot
>
>
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Richard Hirst wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 07:28:51PM +0200, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> > > I have played with a 712/60 and had the same problem as Frank. I got
> > > it installed over the first reboot, but after a the next one on
> > > every reboot it crashed with Kernel faults at cron.
> > >
I've exactly the same problem on a 715/64. I installed 0.9 and the machine
crashes after the reboot while starting cron. Unfortunately I haven't had
the time to check this in detail.

    Nic

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Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Kernel faults on boot

[Richard Hirst]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:17:39PM +0200, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> Hmm, it seems that the numbers change every time, but here are the
> ones from the last instance:
> 
> 	Kernel Fault: Code=15 regs=1051ca80 (Addr=1dc0ce18)
> 
> 	     YZrvWESTHLNXBCVMcbcbcbcbOGFRQPDI
> 	PSW: 00000000000001000000000000001111
> 	r0-3o 00000000 10236000 10193d70 1dc0cd18
> 	r4-7o 146fc000 102fe13c 00000001 00000100
> 	r8-11o 4020b1a8 00000000 00000004 146ff000
> 	r12-15o 00000100 00000030 00003000 102fe138
> 	r16-19o 00000080 1051c908 00000001 14786000
> 	r20-23o 146fc000 102959f8 101da1d4 00000000
> 	r24-27o 000000ff 1dc0ce18 146fc000 10268010
> 	r28-31o 00001920 00000004 1051ccc0 10192c78
> 	sr0-3o 00000000 0000012a 00000000 0000012a
> 	sr4-7o 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
> 
> 	IASQ: 00000000 00000000 IAOQ: 10236234 10236238
> 	 IIR: 0f221033    ISR: 00000000  IOR: 1dc0ce18
> 	 ORIG_R28: 1005f210
> 
> Phew, quite a work to type all this stuff, I am glad that you are
> not interested in the stack... Perhaps this is useful.

The 'o' chars are actually tabs, which are supposed to make the register
dump line up.

IAOQ is the most important.  You can look up the value in the
sti/sys_map file on the CD:

...
10236204 T bcopy
10236228 T memcpy
1023624c T memmove
...

so it crashed in memcpy.  r2 is often the return address, so back to sys_map:

...
10193a98 T vc_allocate
10193bc8 T vc_resize
10193ed8 t .L1003
10193f40 t .L1043
10193fcc T vc_disallocate
...

looks like memcpy was called from vc_resize().

r236,r25,r24,r23 are the call params, if they havn't been overwritten.

memcpy() disassembles as

00000000 <memcpy>:
   0:   37 18 3f ff     ldo -1(r24),r24
   4:   87 1f 20 20     cmpib,= -1,r24,1c <memcpy+0x1c>
   8:   08 1a 02 54     copy r26,r20
   c:   0f 22 10 33     ldb,ma  1(sr0,r25),r19
  10:   37 18 3f ff     ldo -1(r24),r24
  14:   8f 1f 3f e5     cmpib,<> -1,r24,c <memcpy+0xc>
  18:   0e 93 12 22     stb,ma  r19,1(sr0,r20)
  1c:   e8 40 c0 00     bv r0(rp)
  20:   08 1a 02 5c     copy r26,ret0

r26 = r20, so it failed on the first byte of the move, so call was

  memcpy(0x146fc000,0x1dc0ce18,0x100);

with 0x1dc0ce18 being an invalid address.

I guess that comes from this loop in drivers/char/screen.c:

  while (ol < scr_end) {
          scr_memcpyw((unsigned short *) nl, (unsigned short *) ol, rlth);
          if (rrem)
                  scr_memsetw((void *)(nl + rlth), video_erase_char, rrem);
          ol += osr;
          nl += sr;
  }


At this point I'll stop and hope Helge can comment...


> In the meantime I noticed that about every 6th time it boots up
> without crashing, but the keyboard setting from the installation
> (German) was obviously not saved.

Correct, keyboard config is broken in the release sti image.  If you
manage to boot you could try

mv /bin/loadkeys /bin/loadkeys.old
mv /bin/dumpkeys /bin/dumpkeys.old
mv /etc/console-tools /etc/console-tools.old
apt-get install console-data console-common console-tools console-tools-libs


If that works, let me know and I'll add it to the errata.

Richard

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Kernel faults on boot

[Richard Hirst]

Just tried my new installer that tries to run the second stage installer
automatically on reboot.  Crashed the kernel in kfree(), called from
vc_resize() again.  I'm guessing there is something screwy about the
screenbuf allocation.  Possibly due to the first ones being allocated
from the bootmem allocator?

Richard


On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:16:36PM +0100, Richard Hirst wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:17:39PM +0200, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> > Hmm, it seems that the numbers change every time, but here are the
> > ones from the last instance:
> > 
> > 	Kernel Fault: Code=15 regs=1051ca80 (Addr=1dc0ce18)
> > 
> > 	     YZrvWESTHLNXBCVMcbcbcbcbOGFRQPDI
> > 	PSW: 00000000000001000000000000001111
> > 	r0-3o 00000000 10236000 10193d70 1dc0cd18
> > 	r4-7o 146fc000 102fe13c 00000001 00000100
> > 	r8-11o 4020b1a8 00000000 00000004 146ff000
> > 	r12-15o 00000100 00000030 00003000 102fe138
> > 	r16-19o 00000080 1051c908 00000001 14786000
> > 	r20-23o 146fc000 102959f8 101da1d4 00000000
> > 	r24-27o 000000ff 1dc0ce18 146fc000 10268010
> > 	r28-31o 00001920 00000004 1051ccc0 10192c78
> > 	sr0-3o 00000000 0000012a 00000000 0000012a
> > 	sr4-7o 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
> > 
> > 	IASQ: 00000000 00000000 IAOQ: 10236234 10236238
> > 	 IIR: 0f221033    ISR: 00000000  IOR: 1dc0ce18
> > 	 ORIG_R28: 1005f210
> > 
> > Phew, quite a work to type all this stuff, I am glad that you are
> > not interested in the stack... Perhaps this is useful.
> 
> The 'o' chars are actually tabs, which are supposed to make the register
> dump line up.
> 
> IAOQ is the most important.  You can look up the value in the
> sti/sys_map file on the CD:
> 
> ...
> 10236204 T bcopy
> 10236228 T memcpy
> 1023624c T memmove
> ...
> 
> so it crashed in memcpy.  r2 is often the return address, so back to sys_map:
> 
> ...
> 10193a98 T vc_allocate
> 10193bc8 T vc_resize
> 10193ed8 t .L1003
> 10193f40 t .L1043
> 10193fcc T vc_disallocate
> ...
> 
> looks like memcpy was called from vc_resize().
> 
> r236,r25,r24,r23 are the call params, if they havn't been overwritten.
> 
> memcpy() disassembles as
> 
> 00000000 <memcpy>:
>    0:   37 18 3f ff     ldo -1(r24),r24
>    4:   87 1f 20 20     cmpib,= -1,r24,1c <memcpy+0x1c>
>    8:   08 1a 02 54     copy r26,r20
>    c:   0f 22 10 33     ldb,ma  1(sr0,r25),r19
>   10:   37 18 3f ff     ldo -1(r24),r24
>   14:   8f 1f 3f e5     cmpib,<> -1,r24,c <memcpy+0xc>
>   18:   0e 93 12 22     stb,ma  r19,1(sr0,r20)
>   1c:   e8 40 c0 00     bv r0(rp)
>   20:   08 1a 02 5c     copy r26,ret0
> 
> r26 = r20, so it failed on the first byte of the move, so call was
> 
>   memcpy(0x146fc000,0x1dc0ce18,0x100);
> 
> with 0x1dc0ce18 being an invalid address.
> 
> I guess that comes from this loop in drivers/char/screen.c:
> 
>   while (ol < scr_end) {
>           scr_memcpyw((unsigned short *) nl, (unsigned short *) ol, rlth);
>           if (rrem)
>                   scr_memsetw((void *)(nl + rlth), video_erase_char, rrem);
>           ol += osr;
>           nl += sr;
>   }
> 
> 
> At this point I'll stop and hope Helge can comment...
> 
> 
> > In the meantime I noticed that about every 6th time it boots up
> > without crashing, but the keyboard setting from the installation
> > (German) was obviously not saved.
> 
> Correct, keyboard config is broken in the release sti image.  If you
> manage to boot you could try
> 
> mv /bin/loadkeys /bin/loadkeys.old
> mv /bin/dumpkeys /bin/dumpkeys.old
> mv /etc/console-tools /etc/console-tools.old
> apt-get install console-data console-common console-tools console-tools-libs
> 
> 
> If that works, let me know and I'll add it to the errata.
> 
> Richard
> 

Re: [parisc-linux] Kernel faults on boot

[Peter Weilbacher]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Richard Hirst wrote:

> > In the meantime I noticed that about every 6th time it boots up
> > without crashing, but the keyboard setting from the installation
> > (German) was obviously not saved.
>
> Correct, keyboard config is broken in the release sti image.  If you
> manage to boot you could try
>
> mv /bin/loadkeys /bin/loadkeys.old
> mv /bin/dumpkeys /bin/dumpkeys.old
> mv /etc/console-tools /etc/console-tools.old
> apt-get install console-data console-common console-tools console-tools-libs
>
>
> If that works, let me know and I'll add it to the errata.

Not really. It asked me if I wanted to select the keyboard-map from
a list, which was never displayed. It also complained that a package
'kdb' was missing, and I could not find it on the CD, before the
machine was crashing again. For the moment I give up, as I do not
have much time. But if you need specific tests, I would be happy to
assist...

Greetings,
	Peter.

Re: [parisc-linux] Kernel faults on boot

[Richard Hirst]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 09:44:11PM +0200, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> > If that works, let me know and I'll add it to the errata.
> 
> Not really. It asked me if I wanted to select the keyboard-map from
> a list, which was never displayed. It also complained that a package
> 'kdb' was missing, and I could not find it on the CD, before the
> machine was crashing again. For the moment I give up, as I do not
> have much time. But if you need specific tests, I would be happy to
> assist...

OK, thanks for trying.  I am working on a new installer version that
I think fixes these crashes on biit with the sti install.

Richard

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Kernel faults on boot

[Matthieu Delahaye]

Hum, could you check your Hardware clock before booting.
I got this problem on a 742 box and when I set the hwclock
to the right date and time (The clock was unset due to lack
of battery), cron worked.

Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Richard Hirst wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 07:28:51PM +0200, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> > > I have played with a 712/60 and had the same problem as Frank. I got
> > > it installed over the first reboot, but after a the next one on
> > > every reboot it crashed with Kernel faults at cron.
> > >
> > > Now I have reinstalled and I do not get over the reboot. Is it
> > > explained somewhere, which I need to write down, to help you debug
> > > the problem? (I guess it doesn't make it into any logs, which I
> > > could look at by putting the disk on another machine.)
> >
> > I expect to get my hands on a 712 very soon, so I'll see if I can
> > reproduce this problem.  So far as what you can write down for me...
> > Usually a kernel crash gives a stack dump followed by the fault type
> > and address, then a bunch of registers.  I'm not too interested in the
> > stack dump (which has probably scrolled off the screen, anyway), but
> > everything after the stack dump would be useful.
> 
> Hmm, it seems that the numbers change every time, but here are the
> ones from the last instance:
> 
>         Kernel Fault: Code=15 regs=1051ca80 (Addr=1dc0ce18)
> 
>              YZrvWESTHLNXBCVMcbcbcbcbOGFRQPDI
>         PSW: 00000000000001000000000000001111
>         r0-3o 00000000 10236000 10193d70 1dc0cd18
>         r4-7o 146fc000 102fe13c 00000001 00000100
>         r8-11o 4020b1a8 00000000 00000004 146ff000
>         r12-15o 00000100 00000030 00003000 102fe138
>         r16-19o 00000080 1051c908 00000001 14786000
>         r20-23o 146fc000 102959f8 101da1d4 00000000
>         r24-27o 000000ff 1dc0ce18 146fc000 10268010
>         r28-31o 00001920 00000004 1051ccc0 10192c78
>         sr0-3o 00000000 0000012a 00000000 0000012a
>         sr4-7o 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
> 
>         IASQ: 00000000 00000000 IAOQ: 10236234 10236238
>          IIR: 0f221033    ISR: 00000000  IOR: 1dc0ce18
>          ORIG_R28: 1005f210
> 
> Phew, quite a work to type all this stuff, I am glad that you are
> not interested in the stack... Perhaps this is useful.
> 
> In the meantime I noticed that about every 6th time it boots up
> without crashing, but the keyboard setting from the installation
> (German) was obviously not saved.
> 
> Peter.
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[parisc-linux] Re: Kernel faults on boot

[Peter Weilbacher]

On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Matthieu Delahaye wrote:

> Hum, could you check your Hardware clock before booting.
> I got this problem on a 742 box and when I set the hwclock
> to the right date and time (The clock was unset due to lack
> of battery), cron worked.

No, I have set it to approximately the right time, when I installed,
and it is only off by a few minutes. Didn't find a netdate or
ntpdate on the CD to do it better, and with all the boot problems I
didn't have time to compile it myself...

Peter.

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Kernel faults on boot

[Peter Weilbacher]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Richard Hirst wrote:

> boot to a shell
> e2fsck /dev/sda<whatever your root device is>
> mount -o remount,rw /
> mv /usr/sbin/cron /usr/sbin/cron.ori
> sync
> mount -o remount,ro /
> hit the reset button and try a normal boot again

If I take cron out like that, then the next job (atd) is the one
which triggers the kernel fault. An error message about problems
with <sth>cron / <sth>atd is displayed, but I am never fast enough
to read and unterstand it entirely, before the stack dump causes it
to scroll off the screen.

Is it normal for PA-RISC Linux, that the typical Linux Key-Combo
<Shift>-<PgUp/Down> does not work on the console? Or is that even
normal for Debian?

Greetings,
	Peter.

Re: [parisc-linux] Re: Kernel faults on boot

[Richard Hirst]

On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:54:16PM +0200, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Richard Hirst wrote:
> 
> > boot to a shell
> > e2fsck /dev/sda<whatever your root device is>
> > mount -o remount,rw /
> > mv /usr/sbin/cron /usr/sbin/cron.ori
> > sync
> > mount -o remount,ro /
> > hit the reset button and try a normal boot again
> 
> If I take cron out like that, then the next job (atd) is the one
> which triggers the kernel fault. An error message about problems
> with <sth>cron / <sth>atd is displayed, but I am never fast enough
> to read and unterstand it entirely, before the stack dump causes it
> to scroll off the screen.
> 
> Is it normal for PA-RISC Linux, that the typical Linux Key-Combo
> <Shift>-<PgUp/Down> does not work on the console? Or is that even
> normal for Debian?

I wouldn't expect that to work once the kernel has crashed, unfortunately.

Richard

Re: [parisc-linux] dselect problems

[Richard Hirst]

On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 02:02:12PM -0700, E Frank Ball wrote:
> 
> I have a 712/80 and a graphics monitor (HP A1097C).  I got the base
> system running from the palinux-0.9-32sti.iso CD.
> 
> I then tried to run "dpkg-reconfigure base-config".  It got to where it
> is supposed to install the packages and died with a message:  failed
> running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true
> apt-utils is not installed.

apt-utils isn't installed, true, but it isn't installed for anyone
else at this stage either.  Don't know why you see this problem.

> I got apt-utils to install with "apt-get install apt-utils", but now I
> can't get anything else to install either with dselect or apt-get.  I
> get errors about "couldn't stat source package list cdrom...
> - stat (2 no such file or directory).

Sounds like the CDROM is not mounted, or not mounted where
/etc/apt/sources.list says it is.  I have

deb http://beast:80/rel0.9/debian sid main
deb http://beast:80/rel0.9/more-packages/debian sid main

in my sources.list, but that is because I installed from http.  I don't
have an entry for CDROM source atm, sorry.

If you updated apt (dpkg -l apt) to 0.5.3, you may have to update its
pkg list with "apt-get update".

Perhaps someone with a CD based install could post their sources.list
as an example?

> "which stat" shows nothing.  I don't see a stat package either.
> This is my first experience with Debian.

"stat" is probably referring to the system call stat() having failed.
Basically it is saying that some file it wants to access doesn't exist.

Richard