[parisc-linux] Linux on R947X?

[parisc-linux] Linux on R947X?

[robert.holmberg]

Any hope of getting the Lotus Domino webserver up and running under
PARISC-LINUX on a R947X? The server is going to be replaced soon, and we
have played with the thought of using it as a local test environment for
deployment of Domino web applications.

Please CC to me since I have not subscribed to the list.

Robert Holmberg.

Re: [parisc-linux] Linux on R947X?

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 01:04:56PM +0300, robert.holmberg@idobath.com wrote:
> Any hope of getting the Lotus Domino webserver up and running under
> PARISC-LINUX on a R947X? The server is going to be replaced soon, and we
> have played with the thought of using it as a local test environment for
> deployment of Domino web applications.

According to the Domino website
(http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/domino), they only support
Linux on x86.  They do have a version for HPUX so if we were to get
the HPUX emulation working again, there's a possibility it might work.
Nobody has much interest in the HPUX emulation right now, so I wouldn't
count on it happening any time soon.

On the other hand if you happen to be a big corporate customer and could
persuade them to port Domino to a different platform... :-)

-- 
Revolutions do not require corporate support.

Re: [parisc-linux] Linux on R947X?

[robert.holmberg]

>> Any hope of getting the Lotus Domino webserver up and running under
>> PARISC-LINUX on a R947X? The server is going to be replaced soon, and we
>> have played with the thought of using it as a local test environment for
>> deployment of Domino web applications.
>According to the Domino website
>(http://www.lotus.com/home.nsf/welcome/domino), they only support
>Linux on x86.

I should have thought of that. I have not found any indication that anyone
has gotten Linux to work on a R947X at all, so I also meant to ask if at
least this is possible. We can run the test environment on any NT server,
but it would be nice to continue using such a reliable machine as the old
HP for something useful. Paying for a HPUX lisence is not exactly in our
interest, though..

>They do have a version for HPUX so if we were to get
>the HPUX emulation working again, there's a possibility it might work.
>Nobody has much interest in the HPUX emulation right now, so I wouldn't
>count on it happening any time soon.

So this idea of ours is somewhat ... optimistic. I'm actually just working
here for the summer and was asked to find out if this was at all possible.
We have a 922LX as well, nut unfortunately the company has decided to try
and sell this one. I'd buy it myself if it weren't for its size and weight.

>On the other hand if you happen to be a big corporate customer and could
>persuade them to port Domino to a different platform... :-)

Not THAT big. :=)

Robert

Re: [parisc-linux] Linux on R947X?

[Grant Grundler]

robert.holmberg@idobath.com wrote:
> I have not found any indication that anyone
> has gotten Linux to work on a R947X at all,
....

I've never heard of "R947X".
Do you mean HP 9000 R-470?
What does HPUX "model" or "uname -a" command say?
Is this machine already registered in the HW database?

grant

Grant Grundler
parisc-linux {PCI|IOMMU|SMP} hacker
+1.408.447.7253

RE: [parisc-linux] Linux on R947X?

[CARSON,KEVIN (HP-Canada,ex1)]

I believe we are talking about a 947RX which is the MPe equivalent of the
G30.

This presents two problems.  The hardware is identical to the G30 but
everything that I have read in the PA-Linux project is that support for
these machines will be a long time coming, if ever.  The second problem is
that the firmware is different for MPe than HP-UX.  Conversion from a 947RX
to a G30 might be available but it wouldn't matter, one could probably pick
up a used G30 or newer for less $$ than the conversion would cost.

Kevin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Grant Grundler [mailto:grundler@puffin.external.hp.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 9:25 AM
> To: robert.holmberg@idobath.com
> Cc: parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [parisc-linux] Linux on R947X? 
> 
> 
> robert.holmberg@idobath.com wrote:
> > I have not found any indication that anyone
> > has gotten Linux to work on a R947X at all,
> ....
> 
> I've never heard of "R947X".
> Do you mean HP 9000 R-470?
> What does HPUX "model" or "uname -a" command say?
> Is this machine already registered in the HW database?
> 
> grant
> 
> Grant Grundler
> parisc-linux {PCI|IOMMU|SMP} hacker
> +1.408.447.7253
> 
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Re: [parisc-linux] Linux on R947X?

[Stan Sieler]

Re:

> I believe we are talking about a 947RX which is the MPe equivalent of the
> G30.

Yes.
 
> these machines will be a long time coming, if ever.  The second problem is
> that the firmware is different for MPe than HP-UX.  Conversion from a 947RX

AFAIK, the firmware should be 100% identical.  The only diference I'm aware of
is the model string and the OS-license info in stable storage.

And, of course, you're giving up a lot more turning an HP 3000 into a Linux
box than you are when turning an HP 9000 into a Linux box :)

Seriously, if he has a 947RX, he might be able to resell it.

As far as selling a 922?   It's a very old HP 3000, and has little or no 
market value :(
(By "little or no", I mean: you'll be lucky to sell it for $50.)

-- 
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Re: [parisc-linux] Linux on R947X?

[Grant Grundler]

"CARSON,KEVIN (HP-Canada,ex1)" wrote:
> I believe we are talking about a 947RX which is the MPe equivalent of the
> G30.

Ok.

> This presents two problems.  The hardware is identical to the G30 but
> everything that I have read in the PA-Linux project is that support for
> these machines will be a long time coming, if ever.

So far, no one inside HP has volunteered to make it happen.
If someone external wants to sign an NDA for device docs and make it
happen, that might be possible.

> The second problem is
> that the firmware is different for MPe than HP-UX.

At some point MPE systems were only different from HPUX systems
by changing the model string. G30 is a "nova-class" machine and
might predate this.

thanks,
grant

Grant Grundler
parisc-linux {PCI|IOMMU|SMP} hacker
+1.408.447.7253

Re: [parisc-linux] Linux on R947X?

[robert.holmberg]

Stan Sieler wrote:

>> I believe we are talking about a 947RX which is the MPe equivalent of
the
>> G30.
> Yes.

Checking the label of the box, yes. My memory must have failed me.. :) It
is running MPe/iX, but I'm not touching it. Maybe I shouldn't be, but VMS
and SCO-Unix have left me scared to death of vendor-specific OSes.

> And, of course, you're giving up a lot more turning an HP 3000 into a
Linux
> box than you are when turning an HP 9000 into a Linux box :-)

Yes, the only time its been down in the last three years was a month ago
when the serverroom cooing failed and the power was cut when the
temperatute rose too much. I seriously wonder if the W2K servers supposed
to replace it will even get close to this kind of reliability.

> Seriously, if he has a 947RX, he might be able to resell it.

If we won't be able to use it after it goes out of production service this
fall, this would be the general idea, yes. Who would be buying and what
should they be paying?

> As far as selling a 922?   It's a very old HP 3000, and has little or no
> market value :( (By "little or no", I mean: you'll be lucky to sell it
for $50.)

I know it isn't exactly worth its weight in anything else than sweat
(carrying it), but how about the sex appeal? That must count for something!
:-)

Robert.