[parisc-linux] getting started

[parisc-linux] getting started

[substr 'Manager Dan',-3;]

greetings,

is there anything that needs to be done in this effort that could be
done by a newcomer?  i picked up a 730 a few weeks ago, and i'm looking
for a good place to start helping with this port...

thanks. 

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Re: [parisc-linux] getting started

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Mon, Jan 17, 2000 at 05:28:07PM +0000, substr 'Manager Dan',-3; wrote:
> greetings,
> 
> is there anything that needs to be done in this effort that could be
> done by a newcomer?  i picked up a 730 a few weeks ago, and i'm looking
> for a good place to start helping with this port...

The current contents of the CVS tree should work just fine on the 730,
but it's not a model we actually test on, so if you want to test, we'll
be suitably grateful.

[parisc-linux] Getting Started...

[van de Werken, Matthew (DEM, PH)]

Hi folks:

I have recently "acquired" a couple of old 735/xxx's, and I wish to run
Linux on these.
I have no experience with these machines whatsoever, my only experience is
with PCs, and Sun and IBM RS/6000 as unix-users (NOT as sysadmin). I have
run Linux on a PC before, so I am not totally alien to sysadmin. Oh, and I'm
an electronics engineer, so I have no problem with writing (average) code or
fiddling with electronics.

Firstly, I have a couple of questions if someone would be so kind as to help
me out:

* These boxes seem to have no indication whether they are 735/125 or 735/99
- how do I find out which they are?

* I don't know how much memory they have, how do I find this out? They have
maybe half of the memory expansion slots filled.

* I have no HIL keyboard or mouse, is there a way to make a HIL-to-PS/2
adapter so I can have a k/b and mouse at the console, or am I better off
using a serial terminal?

* These machines have no graphics output, how can I tell if they're alive?
Serial cable to a terminal (9600-N-1)?

* These machines have only the FDDI(?) optical network. I'm not sure how to
connect these to my ethernet (if at all), or am I better off adding an ISA
or EISA network card to the boxes?

* Can I add an ISA or EISA network card to the boxes, and will it be
recognised? Drivers?

* Has anyone done any work on a boot ROM in place of the "BIOS" (Yes, I know
it's not called a bios, but I can't remember the name off-hand...), so the
serial link isn't needed. That is, is there a way to have some startup code
in the ROM that will immediately point the box to the NFS share where it's
to get its info? What about a boot ROM on a network card? Is this even
possible?

* Can you boot these things straight off the SCSI disk? Is there a bootable
disk image, that would mean the network isn't needed straight away?

* Is there a basic "getting started" guide that I can use in order to boot
and have a bit of a play? What's the minimum I would need to do this?

* I read on the web site that there is no X server for this machine being
developed, is X available at all? That is, if I have an X server on another
machine, and assuming I have some networking setup, can I use remote X apps
(the way X is supposed to be...)?

I have a fast internet link and CD burner at work, so I have no problem
getting whole disk images if I need to.

Thanks in advance for the help, I can't think of any more questions for
now...

Cheers,
Matt van de Werken.

Re: [parisc-linux] Getting Started...

[E Frank Ball]

I'm not using PA-RISC Linux, yet, but I hope to be soon.  I'm been using
ix86 linux for a few years, and HP-UX for 15 years.  I deal with 700
series hardware everyday at work, mostly 715s, 725s, and 745s.

} I have recently "acquired" a couple of old 735/xxx's, and I wish to run
} Linux on these.
} 
} * These boxes seem to have no indication whether they are 735/125 or 735/99
} - how do I find out which they are?

If they aren't labeled as "735/125" or "735/99" they should be 100MHz.


} * I don't know how much memory they have, how do I find this out? They have
} maybe half of the memory expansion slots filled.

The boot screen should print the memory amount almost first thing.  The
735s use different ram than all the other 700s, so I don't know the part
numbers.  If you tell me I might be able to check (A2575-60001 is a 32MB
card for the other 700s, look for that kind of a number).
Do the RAM cards have ICs loaded on boths sides or only 1?  How many ICs
on each side?

} * I have no HIL keyboard or mouse, is there a way to make a HIL-to-PS/2
} adapter so I can have a k/b and mouse at the console, or am I better off
} using a serial terminal?

Modular Industrial Computers Inc used to make a HIL to PS2 Converter
box.  I don't think they do anymore because they can't get the ICs
anymore (HP part number 1RD2-6001).   Nobody else makes them.  The HIL
keyboards and mice are probably still available as "replacement parts"
from HP.  TAMs (www.tamsinc.com) is another possible source, so is
Monterey Bay Communication.


} * These machines have no graphics output, how can I tell if they're alive?
} Serial cable to a terminal (9600-N-1)?

Yuk, no wonder you don't know how much RAM you have.


} * These machines have only the FDDI(?) optical network. I'm not sure how to
} connect these to my ethernet (if at all), or am I better off adding an ISA
} or EISA network card to the boxes?

All the ones I've seen had an AUI port.


} * Can I add an ISA or EISA network card to the boxes, and will it be
} recognised? Drivers?

I'd like to know the answer to this.  I have 715s with an EISA backplane
and then I could have two ethernet connections.  Can I use the 27245 (hp
driver) or 27247, 27252 (hp-plus driver) cards?  Or maybe the J2405
(lance driver) card?


   E Frank Ball                efball@efball.com

Re: [parisc-linux] Getting Started...

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Tue, Apr 03, 2001 at 09:38:41AM +1000, van de Werken, Matthew (DEM, PH) wrote:
> * These machines have no graphics output, how can I tell if they're alive?
> Serial cable to a terminal (9600-N-1)?

And disable both HW & SW flow control.  we use null-modem cables to our
PCs and minicom here, mostly.

-- 
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Re: [parisc-linux] Getting Started...

[Andrew Shugg]

E Frank Ball said:
> } * These machines have only the FDDI(?) optical network. I'm not sure how to
> } connect these to my ethernet (if at all), or am I better off adding an ISA
> } or EISA network card to the boxes?
> 
> All the ones I've seen had an AUI port.

I thought so, too, but when I went hunting for one on the back of a
735/125 last night to stick a transceiver on it, I couldn't find it.
Either there isn't one or it was really well hidden.  =)

Andrew.

--
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RE: [parisc-linux] Getting Started...

[van de Werken, Matthew (DEM, PH)]

> 
> I'm not using PA-RISC Linux, yet, but I hope to be soon.  I'm 
> been using
> ix86 linux for a few years, and HP-UX for 15 years.  I deal with 700
> series hardware everyday at work, mostly 715s, 725s, and 745s.
> 
> } I have recently "acquired" a couple of old 735/xxx's, and I 
> wish to run
> } Linux on these.
> } 
> } * These boxes seem to have no indication whether they are 
> 735/125 or 735/99
> } - how do I find out which they are?
> 
> If they aren't labeled as "735/125" or "735/99" they should be 100MHz.

Yes, I believe they are 735/99s. They're not the fastest machines around,
but as far as price/performance goes, you can't beat a slow free computer...

> 
> 
> } * I don't know how much memory they have, how do I find 
> this out? They have
> } maybe half of the memory expansion slots filled.
> 
> The boot screen should print the memory amount almost first 
> thing.  The
> 735s use different ram than all the other 700s, so I don't 
> know the part
> numbers.  If you tell me I might be able to check 
> (A2575-60001 is a 32MB
> card for the other 700s, look for that kind of a number).
> Do the RAM cards have ICs loaded on boths sides or only 1?  
> How many ICs
> on each side?

Yep, I've booted them up (serial port set to 9600-N-1, no handshaking as
suggested by someone else) - one has 112MB, the other has 272MB. They both
have HP-UX 10.10 installed, but I don't have any password for the machines.
I don't have network capability, either, yet (see below), but I'm hoping I
can install Linux on one of the drives as a disk image via other means (I
may be able to get access to a SCSI-enabled PC here at work).

Another possibility is to use the narrow-SCSI port on the Apollo to connect
a SCSI CD-ROM. Would it be possible to boot from here? This would certainly
be easier for me.

> 
> } * I have no HIL keyboard or mouse, is there a way to make a 
> HIL-to-PS/2
> } adapter so I can have a k/b and mouse at the console, or am 
> I better off
> } using a serial terminal?
> 
> Modular Industrial Computers Inc used to make a HIL to PS2 Converter
> box.  I don't think they do anymore because they can't get the ICs
> anymore (HP part number 1RD2-6001).   Nobody else makes them.  The HIL
> keyboards and mice are probably still available as "replacement parts"
> from HP.  TAMs (www.tamsinc.com) is another possible source, so is
> Monterey Bay Communication.

I looked at the MIC web site - they sell these PS/2-HIL adapters for $410!
That's a bit too much, especially when converted to Aussie dollars (around
$850). I actually don't think I'll need a local keyboard anyway, since the
735 boxes I have don't have graphics adapters. The serial port method works
well for me, since I have a couple of extra serial ports in my NT box.

> 
> 
> } * These machines have no graphics output, how can I tell if 
> they're alive?
> } Serial cable to a terminal (9600-N-1)?
> 
> Yuk, no wonder you don't know how much RAM you have.
> 
> 
> } * These machines have only the FDDI(?) optical network. I'm 
> not sure how to
> } connect these to my ethernet (if at all), or am I better 
> off adding an ISA
> } or EISA network card to the boxes?
> 
> All the ones I've seen had an AUI port.

These ones don't, unfortunately. Does anyone know if you can use the EISA
slot to add a network card? I'd really really really like to be able to do
this; maybe a driver would have to be written. I've never written a driver
before, but I'm a competant programmer (and engineer by profession) so I
don't think it would be too much out of my league to give it a go.

I have an ISA card with SMC 83C790 chipset, which apparently has an
open-source Linux-x86 driver. I'd be hoping to use this code as a starting
point (I'd be even more hoping that the "porting" would merely involve a
recompile, and the EISA bus driver would take care of the hardware
differences at that level...) Anyone with any experience here?

> 
> 
> } * Can I add an ISA or EISA network card to the boxes, and will it be
> } recognised? Drivers?
> 
> I'd like to know the answer to this.  I have 715s with an 
> EISA backplane
> and then I could have two ethernet connections.  Can I use 
> the 27245 (hp
> driver) or 27247, 27252 (hp-plus driver) cards?  Or maybe the J2405
> (lance driver) card?
> 

Cheers,
MvdW