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From: Jiebin Sun <jiebin.sun@intel.com>
To: namhyung@kernel.org, acme@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	peterz@infradead.org
Cc: adrian.hunter@intel.com, alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com,
	dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com, irogers@google.com,
	james.clark@linaro.org, jolsa@kernel.org, mark.rutland@arm.com,
	thomas.falcon@intel.com, tianyou.li@intel.com,
	wangyang.guo@intel.com, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jiebin Sun <jiebin.sun@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/14] perf c2c: add a function view
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 17:22:49 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260713092249.340613-1-jiebin.sun@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alFqMY_q3mIhd-qN@google.com>

Hi Namhyung,

Thank you, and thanks for the idea.

> On Fri, Jul 10, 2026 at 04:49:20PM +0800, Jiebin Sun wrote:
> > > Any chance it can share the code?  We have `perf mem report` as well,
> > > which deals with similar kind of data.
> >
> > The part it does not reuse is the generic report hierarchy builder. That
> > nests a single sample's own sort keys, while the function view pairs
> > functions that share a cacheline -- the entries are (function A,
> > function B) pairs that don't map to one sample. That's why the hierarchy
> > is built explicitly rather than from a sort-key list.
>
> I see.  Yeah I think it's a different model but it may be possible to
> have a cacheline in a parent node and functions that accessed it in
> the children.

You're right that a cacheline-parent / accessing-functions-children
layout maps cleanly onto a single sample's own keys, so that one could be
expressed with the generic hierarchy (e.g. sorting on dcacheline then
symbol).

That organization is cacheline-centric, and fairly close to what the
cacheline view already offers -- the cacheline list, and the
per-cacheline detail ('d') that lists the accesses and the symbols
touching a given cacheline.

The function view is function-centric instead: starting from a function
and showing which other functions it contends with, and over which
cachelines. That "which functions contend with each other" pairing is
what needs the explicit build rather than a sort-key list.

Aggregating by function also helps to rank functions by their total HITM
penalty (HITM count times per-access latency). The cacheline view shows
the per-access HITM percentages and the latency, but not that product
summed per function.

A real false-sharing case we are working on is a good example. One of the
functions involved, cpupri_set, has its accesses split across several
cachelines, and within any single cacheline each access is only a small
share of that line's HITM (a few percent per access), so it doesn't stand
out in the per-cacheline view. Its cost only becomes apparent once summed
across the cachelines it touches, which is what the function view does --
it surfaces as a top per-function entry and points straight at the
function to investigate, without the user piecing it together across
cachelines by hand.

  https://lore.kernel.org/all/cover.1753076363.git.pan.deng@intel.com/

Thanks,
Jiebin

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-13  9:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-26  7:03 [PATCH 00/14] perf c2c: add a function view Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 01/14] perf c2c: extract shared data structures into c2c.h Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:13   ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 02/14] perf c2c: add function view browser skeleton Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:11   ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 03/14] perf c2c: add function view type definitions and helpers Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:14   ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 04/14] perf c2c: add column format infrastructure for function view Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 05/14] perf c2c: add column entry functions " Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 06/14] perf c2c: add comparison functions for function view sorting Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:22   ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 07/14] perf c2c: add dimension definitions and format creation Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:23   ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 08/14] perf c2c: add HPP list parsing for function view histograms Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:16   ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 09/14] perf c2c: add stats merging and memory management helpers Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:17   ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 10/14] perf c2c: add hierarchy entry creation and lookup functions Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:19   ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 11/14] perf c2c: add function view hierarchy builder Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 12/14] perf c2c: add function view browser UI Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 13/14] perf c2c: add TAB key to switch to function view Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 14/14] perf c2c: document function view in perf-c2c man page Jiebin Sun
2026-07-07  0:41 ` [PATCH 00/14] perf c2c: add a function view Namhyung Kim
2026-07-10  8:49   ` Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10 21:54     ` Namhyung Kim
2026-07-13  9:22       ` Jiebin Sun [this message]
2026-07-10  8:42 ` [PATCH v2 " Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 01/14] perf c2c: extract shared data structures into c2c.h Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:54     ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 02/14] perf c2c: add function view browser skeleton Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:50     ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 03/14] perf c2c: add function view type definitions and helpers Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 04/14] perf c2c: add column format infrastructure for function view Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  9:00     ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 05/14] perf c2c: add column entry functions " Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 06/14] perf c2c: add comparison functions for function view sorting Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 07/14] perf c2c: add dimension definitions and format creation Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 08/14] perf c2c: add HPP list parsing for function view histograms Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  9:01     ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 09/14] perf c2c: add stats merging and memory management helpers Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 10/14] perf c2c: add hierarchy entry creation and lookup functions Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 11/14] perf c2c: add function view hierarchy builder Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  9:01     ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 12/14] perf c2c: add function view browser UI Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 13/14] perf c2c: add TAB key to switch to function view Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 14/14] perf c2c: document function view in perf-c2c man page Jiebin Sun

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