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From: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
To: Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/7] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate runtime to reach given util
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 22:44:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16dcf2b6-6921-10c7-ae75-a9f8015a9c85@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bad29fb0-c734-853b-492b-ce2d01a293c5@arm.com>

On 06/09/2023 14:56, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> On 28/08/2023 01:31, Qais Yousef wrote:
>> It is basically the ramp-up time from 0 to a given value. Will be used
>> later to implement new tunable to control response time  for schedutil.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Qais Yousef (Google) <qyousef@layalina.io>
>> ---
>>  kernel/sched/pelt.c  | 21 +++++++++++++++++++++
>>  kernel/sched/sched.h |  1 +
>>  2 files changed, 22 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/kernel/sched/pelt.c b/kernel/sched/pelt.c
>> index 50322005a0ae..f673b9ab92dc 100644
>> --- a/kernel/sched/pelt.c
>> +++ b/kernel/sched/pelt.c
>> @@ -487,3 +487,24 @@ unsigned long approximate_util_avg(unsigned long util, u64 delta)
>>  
>>  	return sa.util_avg;
>>  }
>> +
>> +/*
>> + * Approximate the required amount of runtime in ms required to reach @util.
>> + */
>> +u64 approximate_runtime(unsigned long util)
>> +{
>> +	struct sched_avg sa = {};
>> +	u64 delta = 1024; // period = 1024 = ~1ms
>> +	u64 runtime = 0;
>> +
>> +	if (unlikely(!util))
>> +		return runtime;
>> +
>> +	while (sa.util_avg < util) {
>> +		accumulate_sum(delta, &sa, 0, 0, 1);
>> +		___update_load_avg(&sa, 0);
>> +		runtime++;
>> +	}
>> +
>> +	return runtime;
>> +}
> 
> S_n = S_inv * (1 - 0.5^(t/hl))
> 
> t = hl * ln(1 - Sn/S_inv)/ln(0.5)
> 
> (1) for a little CPU (capacity_orig = 446)
> 
> t = 32ms * ln(1 - 446/1024)/ln(0.5)
> 
> t = 26ms
> 
> (2) for a big CPU (capacity = 1023 (*instead of 1024 since ln(0) not
>     defined
> 
> t = 32ms * ln(1 - 1023/1024)/ln(0.5)
> 
> t = 320ms

Forgot half of what I wanted to ask:

And you want to be able to have a schedutil interface:

/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy*/schedutil/response_time_ms

in which by default we have 26ms for a CPU with the capacity_orig of 446.

I.e. you want to have a time-based interface there? Which the user can
overwrite, say with 52ms and this then will lower the return value of
get_next_freq() so the system will respond slower?

And the time based interface is more intuitive than staying in the
capacity world of [0-1024]?



  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-06 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-27 23:31 [RFC PATCH 0/7] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic margins Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:31 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate the future util_avg value Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 12:56   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:19     ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 11:12       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-10 19:58         ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-13 17:22           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-16 19:49             ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-16 19:52               ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:31 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate runtime to reach given util Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 12:56   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 20:44     ` Dietmar Eggemann [this message]
2023-09-06 21:38       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-15  9:15   ` Hongyan Xia
2023-09-16 19:56     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:31 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] sched/fair: Remove magic margin in fits_capacity() Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 14:38   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:45     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic 1.25 headroom from apply_dvfs_headroom() Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 11:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-10 19:23     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] sched/schedutil: Add a new tunable to dictate response time Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 21:13   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:52     ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 11:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-10 19:25     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] sched/pelt: Introduce PELT multiplier Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] cpufreq: Change default transition delay to 2ms Qais Yousef
2023-09-06  9:18 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic margins Lukasz Luba
2023-09-06 21:18   ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07  7:48     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 11:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:06         ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 13:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:33             ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 13:38               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:45                 ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-08 12:51                   ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-09-12 11:57                     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-10 18:20         ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-10 18:14       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 13:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:57       ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 14:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 14:42           ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 20:16             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 11:51               ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-12 14:01                 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-09-13  9:53                   ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-12 14:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-10 19:06             ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-10 18:46       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08  0:17   ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-08  7:40     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-08 14:07       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-12 17:18         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-16 19:38           ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-08 10:25     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 13:33       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-08 13:58         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 13:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 14:11           ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-10 21:17         ` Qais Yousef

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