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From: Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>
To: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Lukasz Luba <lukasz.luba@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 5/7] sched/schedutil: Add a new tunable to dictate response time
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 22:52:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230906215220.65em2kgyr76s7sz2@airbuntu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <60a21021-87c5-b93d-4312-d41fbcd4ec43@arm.com>

On 09/06/23 23:13, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> On 28/08/2023 01:32, Qais Yousef wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > @@ -427,6 +427,23 @@ This governor exposes only one tunable:
> >  	The purpose of this tunable is to reduce the scheduler context overhead
> >  	of the governor which might be excessive without it.
> >  
> > +``respone_time_ms``
> > +	Amount of time (in milliseconds) required to ramp the policy from
> > +	lowest to highest frequency. Can be decreased to speed up the
> > +	responsiveness of the system, or increased to slow the system down in
> > +	hope to save power. The best perf/watt will depend on the system
> > +	characteristics and the dominant workload you expect to run. For
> > +	userspace that has smart context on the type of workload running (like
> > +	in Android), one can tune this to suite the demand of that workload.
> > +
> > +	Note that when slowing the response down, you can end up effectively
> > +	chopping off the top frequencies for that policy as the util is capped
> > +	to 1024. On HMP systems where some CPUs have a capacity less than 1024,
> 
> HMP isn't used in mainline AFAIK. IMHO, the term `asymmetric CPU
> capacity` systems is used.

It's a shorter name and less mouthful and typeful; I think we should start to
use it :)

> 
> [...]
> 
> > @@ -59,6 +61,45 @@ static DEFINE_PER_CPU(struct sugov_cpu, sugov_cpu);
> >  
> >  /************************ Governor internals ***********************/
> >  
> > +static inline u64 sugov_calc_freq_response_ms(struct sugov_policy *sg_policy)
> > +{
> > +	int cpu = cpumask_first(sg_policy->policy->cpus);
> > +	unsigned long cap = capacity_orig_of(cpu);
> > +
> > +	return approximate_runtime(cap);
> > +}
> 
> I can see the potential issue of schedutil being earlier initialized
> than the `max frequency scaling of cpu_capacity_orig` happens in
> drivers/base/arch_topology.c.
> 
> So the response_time_ms setup for a little CPU on Juno-r0 wouldn't
> happen on cpu_capacity_orig = 446 -> 26ms but on on the raw capacity
> value from dt:
> 
>     capacity-dmips-mhz = <578>
> 
> So I would expect to see t = 32ms * ln(1 - 578/1024)/ln(0.5) = 38ms instead.
> 
> We have a similar dependency between `max frequency scaled
> cpu_capacity_orig` and the EM setup code.

Hmm thanks for the pointer! That might help explain why I see wrong values for
the big core in my setup.

Should using arch_scale_cpu_capacity() help instead? Or I need to find a way to
plug the race instead?


Thanks!

--
Qais Yousef

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-06 21:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-27 23:31 [RFC PATCH 0/7] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic margins Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:31 ` [RFC PATCH 1/7] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate the future util_avg value Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 12:56   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:19     ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 11:12       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-10 19:58         ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-13 17:22           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-16 19:49             ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-16 19:52               ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:31 ` [RFC PATCH 2/7] sched/pelt: Add a new function to approximate runtime to reach given util Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 12:56   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 20:44     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:38       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-15  9:15   ` Hongyan Xia
2023-09-16 19:56     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:31 ` [RFC PATCH 3/7] sched/fair: Remove magic margin in fits_capacity() Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 14:38   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:45     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 4/7] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic 1.25 headroom from apply_dvfs_headroom() Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 11:34   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-10 19:23     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 5/7] sched/schedutil: Add a new tunable to dictate response time Qais Yousef
2023-09-06 21:13   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-06 21:52     ` Qais Yousef [this message]
2023-09-07 11:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-10 19:25     ` Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 6/7] sched/pelt: Introduce PELT multiplier Qais Yousef
2023-08-27 23:32 ` [RFC PATCH 7/7] cpufreq: Change default transition delay to 2ms Qais Yousef
2023-09-06  9:18 ` [RFC PATCH 0/7] sched: cpufreq: Remove magic margins Lukasz Luba
2023-09-06 21:18   ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07  7:48     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 11:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:06         ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 13:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:33             ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 13:38               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:45                 ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-08 12:51                   ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-09-12 11:57                     ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-10 18:20         ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-10 18:14       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 13:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 13:57       ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 14:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-07 14:42           ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-07 20:16             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 11:51               ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-12 14:01                 ` Vincent Guittot
2023-09-13  9:53                   ` Lukasz Luba
2023-09-12 14:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-10 19:06             ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-10 18:46       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-07 13:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08  0:17   ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-08  7:40     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-08 14:07       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-12 17:18         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-09-16 19:38           ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-08 10:25     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 13:33       ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-08 13:58         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 13:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 14:11           ` Qais Yousef
2023-09-10 21:17         ` Qais Yousef

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