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From: Luca Abeni <luca.abeni@unitn.it>
To: Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@arm.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>,
	Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>
Subject: Re: [RFCv6 PATCH 09/10] sched: deadline: use deadline bandwidth in scale_rt_capacity
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:19:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151214221911.56cd38db@luca-1225C> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151214160759.GD16007@e106622-lin>

On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:07:59 +0000
Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@arm.com> wrote:
[...]
> > I agree that if the WCET is far from reality, we will underestimate
> > available capacity for CFS. Have you got some use case in mind which
> > overestimates the WCET ?
> 
> I guess simply the fact that one task can be admitted to the system,
> but then in practice sleep, waiting from some event to happen.
My favourite example (since 1998 :) is a video player (but every task
processing compressed video should work as an example): there is a
noticeable difference between the time needed to process large I frames
with a lot of movement (that is about the WCET) and the time needed to
process small B frames with not much movement. And if we want to avoid
too much jitter in the video playback we have to allocate the runtime
based on the maximum time needed to process a video frame.


> > If we can't rely on this parameters to evaluate the amount of
> > capacity used by deadline scheduler on a core, this will imply that
> > we can't also use it for requesting capacity to cpufreq and we
> > should fallback on a monitoring mechanism which reacts to a change
> > instead of anticipating it.
> > 
> 
> There is at least one way in the middle: use utilization of active
> servers (as I think Luca was already mentioning). This solution should
> remove some of the pessimism, but still be safe for our needs.
If you track the active utilisation as done by the GRUB algorithm
( http://retis.sssup.it/~lipari/papers/lipariBaruah2000.pdf ) and by my
patches, you can remove _all_ the pessimism :)


			Luca

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-14 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-09  6:19 [RFCv6 PATCH 00/10] sched: scheduler-driven CPU frequency selection Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 01/10] sched: Compute cpu capacity available at current frequency Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 02/10] cpufreq: introduce cpufreq_driver_is_slow Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 03/10] sched: scheduler-driven cpu frequency selection Steve Muckle
2015-12-11 11:04   ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15  2:02     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-15 10:31       ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-16  1:22         ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-16  3:48   ` Leo Yan
2015-12-17  1:24     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-17  7:17       ` Leo Yan
2015-12-18 19:15         ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-19  5:54           ` Leo Yan
2016-01-25 12:06   ` Ricky Liang
2016-01-27  1:14     ` Steve Muckle
2016-02-01 17:10   ` Ricky Liang
2016-02-11  4:44     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 04/10] sched/fair: add triggers for OPP change requests Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 05/10] sched/{core,fair}: trigger OPP change request on fork() Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 06/10] sched/fair: cpufreq_sched triggers for load balancing Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 07/10] sched/fair: jump to max OPP when crossing UP threshold Steve Muckle
2015-12-11 11:12   ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15  2:42     ` Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 08/10] sched: remove call of sched_avg_update from sched_rt_avg_update Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 09/10] sched: deadline: use deadline bandwidth in scale_rt_capacity Steve Muckle
2015-12-09  8:50   ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-10 13:27     ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-10 16:11       ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-11  7:48         ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-14 14:02           ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-14 14:38             ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-14 15:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-14 15:56     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-14 16:07       ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-14 21:19         ` Luca Abeni [this message]
2015-12-14 16:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-14 21:31         ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 13:30             ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 13:42               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 21:24                 ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-16  9:28                   ` Juri Lelli
2015-12-15  4:43         ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 12:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 12:56             ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-14 21:12       ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15  4:59         ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15  8:50           ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:20             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 12:46               ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 13:18               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:23             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-12-15 13:21               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:43             ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 13:39               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-15 12:58             ` Vincent Guittot
2015-12-15 13:41               ` Luca Abeni
2015-12-09  6:19 ` [RFCv6 PATCH 10/10] sched: rt scheduler sets capacity requirement Steve Muckle
2015-12-11 11:22   ` Juri Lelli

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