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From: Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Steve Muckle <steve.muckle@linaro.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	"linux-pm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linaro Kernel Mailman List <linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Should we add Android's Interactive governor into mainline now?
Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 14:10:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160512211012.GA28594@graphite.smuckle.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0jYqLKf-ckpEm7dm_jHeUkD6ey_cAgdrgFFuFnMYa-HUw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 10:34:39PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > That said my understanding is that the goal is to eventually deprecate
> > the non-sched governors. That will be made harder by adding another one
> > into the tree.
> 
> We can't really deprecate any out-of-the-tree code, because it is
> beyond the scope of our influence, so one can argue that taking it
> into the tree may actually allow us to deprecate it at one point going
> forward. :-)
> 
> Seriously, though, "deprecation" may not be the right term to use
> here.  Our goal, IMO, should be to persuade the users of the code in
> question to switch over to something else and I'm not really sure if
> refusing to take that code into the tree is the best way to achieve
> that goal.
> 
> I do believe that if there's a significant piece of code living out of
> the tree for a sufficiently long time, the tree is likely to be
> missing something important.  Then, it is really difficult to figure
> out what is missing without even trying to take that code into the
> tree.

By far the biggest user of interactive is Android (I'm not aware of its
use elsewhere). Persuading Google to switch is relatively doable once a
viable alternative exists. After that point I'd expect the desire to
merge and maintain interactive would almost immediately disappear. Folks
wanting to run upstream kernels on already released devices have much
bigger hurdles than merging the interactive governor.

But if interactive is merged I'm worried that many other users on random
platforms will adopt it, for whatever reason, introducing a support
burden during a time that we're trying to develop and encourage an
alternative.

Anyway that's just my $.02 - it'd actually be good for me as
again it'd permit easier comparison with schedutil, so I won't complain
if it goes in :) .

  reply	other threads:[~2016-05-12 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-12  2:04 [RFC] Should we add Android's Interactive governor into mainline now? Viresh Kumar
2016-05-12 13:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-13  3:19   ` Viresh Kumar
2016-05-13 11:06     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-13 11:09       ` Viresh Kumar
2016-05-12 16:36 ` Steve Muckle
2016-05-12 20:34   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-12 21:10     ` Steve Muckle [this message]
2016-05-13  3:21       ` Viresh Kumar
2016-05-13  6:14         ` Steve Muckle
2016-05-13  6:17           ` Viresh Kumar
2016-05-13 11:44       ` Juri Lelli
2016-05-13 11:56         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-05-13 13:15           ` Juri Lelli

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