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From: Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Hongyan Xia <hongyan.xia2@arm.com>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7] sched: Consolidate cpufreq updates
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2024 18:51:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240901175149.46yfk335niccmfq4@airbuntu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtAJNjUe=4eQxq0M6==6O7dtJrw6rtwE6-xaWMJdSmfKcA@mail.gmail.com>

On 08/13/24 10:27, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 at 10:25, Vincent Guittot
> <vincent.guittot@linaro.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 at 17:35, Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Qais,
> > > the idea of SCHED_CPUFREQ_FORCE_UPDATE and the possiblity of spamming
> > > freq updates still bothered me so let me share my thoughts even though
> > > it might be niche enough for us not to care.
> > >
> > > 1. On fast_switch systems, assuming they are fine with handling the
> > > actual updates, we have a bit more work on each context_switch() and
> > > some synchronisation, too. That should be fine, if anything there's
> > > some performance regression in a couple of niche cases.
> > >
> > > 2. On !fast_switch systems this gets more interesting IMO. So we have
> > > a sugov DEADLINE task wakeup for every (in a freq-diff resulting)
> > > update request. This task will preempt whatever and currently will
> > > pretty much always be running on the CPU it ran last on (so first CPU
> > > of the PD).
> >
> > The !fast_switch is a bit of concern for me too but not for the same
> > reason and maybe the opposite of yours IIUC your proposal below:
> >
> > With fast_switch we have the following sequence:
> >
> > sched_switch() to task A
> > cpufreq_driver_fast_switch -> write new freq target
> > run task A
> >
> > This is pretty straight forward but we have the following sequence
> > with !fast_switch
> >
> > sched_switch() to task A
> > queue_irq_work -> raise an IPI on local CPU
> > Handle IPI -> wakeup and queue sugov dl worker on local CPU (always
> > with 1 CPU per PD)
> > sched_switch() to sugov dl task
> > __cpufreq_driver_target() which can possibly block on a lock
> > sched_switch() to task A
> > run task A
> >
> 
> sent a bit too early
> 
> > We can possibly have 2 context switch and one IPi for each "normal"
> > context switch which is not really optimal
> 
> It would be good to find a way to skip the spurious back and forth
> between the normal task and sugov

Hmm I think we use affinity to keep the sugov running on policy->related_cpus.
Relaxing this will make it less of a problem, but won't eliminate it.

I'll have a think about it, is this a blocker for now?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-09-01 17:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-28 18:45 [PATCH v7] sched: Consolidate cpufreq updates Qais Yousef
2024-07-29 16:01 ` Metin Kaya
2024-08-01 12:22   ` Qais Yousef
2024-08-05 15:35 ` Christian Loehle
2024-08-09  1:13   ` Qais Yousef
2024-08-13  8:25   ` Vincent Guittot
2024-08-13  8:27     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-08-13 16:26       ` Christian Loehle
2024-08-13 16:43         ` Vincent Guittot
2024-08-13 16:56           ` Christian Loehle
2024-09-01 17:51       ` Qais Yousef [this message]
2024-09-02 12:30         ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-02 12:35           ` Christian Loehle
2024-09-02 12:43             ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-02 12:58           ` Qais Yousef
2024-09-02 13:34             ` Qais Yousef
2024-09-02 13:40               ` Christian Loehle
2024-09-02 13:36             ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-02 20:43               ` Qais Yousef
2024-09-03  6:54                 ` Vincent Guittot
2024-08-13 10:02 ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-01 18:01   ` Qais Yousef
2024-09-03 12:48     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-11 20:34 ` Christian Loehle
2024-09-12 11:33   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-02-09 22:34     ` Qais Yousef
2024-10-07 17:20 ` Anjali K
2024-10-08  9:56   ` Christian Loehle
2024-10-10 18:32     ` Christian Loehle
2024-10-18 18:32     ` Anjali K
2024-11-25  6:32       ` Anjali K
2025-02-09 22:33         ` Qais Yousef
2024-10-11  9:34 ` Christian Loehle
2025-02-09 22:41   ` Qais Yousef

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