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From: Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/22] mm: introduce MMF_KERNEL flag and set it for init_mm
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2026 11:00:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <643a624d-0106-44ed-a7f5-aaf9316f94fd@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260811091016.5ca67143@pumpkin>

On 11/08/2026 10:10, David Laight wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 14:07:01 +0200
> "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org> wrote:
>
>> On 8/3/26 15:59, Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP) wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 14/07/2026 à 16:03, Kevin Brodsky a écrit :  
>>>> mm code often needs to know whether some mm represents a kernel or
>>>> user address space. This is currently done by comparing the mm
>>>> pointer with &init_mm; besides not being particularly elegant, this
>>>> ignores the fact that other mm's (e.g. efi_mm) may also represent
>>>> parts of the kernel address space.
>>>>
>>>> Introduce a new mm flag MMF_KERNEL and set it for init_mm.
>>>> Subsequent patches will use this flag to replace comparisons with
>>>> &init_mm. No functional change is introduced for now.  
>>> Did you consider performance impact ? This test is usually done in quite
>>> critical memory handling functions.
>>>
>>> init_mm is known at link time. Before your patch 08/22 there is just a
>>> comparison of mm (r3) with a constant (loaded in r10):
>>>
>>> c0014048 <assert_pte_locked>:
>>> c0014048:    3d 40 c1 09     lis     r10,-16119
>>> c001404c:    39 4a 03 98     addi    r10,r10,920
>>> c0014050:    7c 03 50 00     cmpw    r3,r10
>>> c0014054:    4d 82 00 20     beqlr
>>> ...
>>>
>>> After patch 08/22 we have, it first checks that mm is not 0, then it loads the
>>> word located at mm+528 then AND it with 0x1. This load might be costly.
>>>
>>> c0014048 <assert_pte_locked>:
>>> c0014048:    2c 03 00 00     cmpwi   r3,0
>>> c001404c:    7c 85 23 78     mr      r5,r4
>>> c0014050:    41 82 00 10     beq     c0014060 <assert_pte_locked+0x18>
>>> c0014054:    81 23 02 10     lwz     r9,528(r3)
>>> c0014058:    71 29 00 01     andi.   r9,r9,1
>>> c001405c:    4c 82 00 20     bnelr  
>> Is that a real problem, though?
> The cost of the read is likely to matter most if the branch gets mispredicted.
> I'd also guess the mm isn't usually NULL - so that branch needs to statically
> predicted correctly as well.
> I'd also not assume that the mm is in the cache (unless the surrounding code
> has already accessed it), the L1 data caches are small.

You're right, I didn't think about this the right way round - in general
it may not be easy to predict that mm points to init_mm, and an
arbitrary user mm isn't guaranteed to be cached. Repeated calls to
mm_is_kernel(mm) in the same function shouldn't cost much though.

Would some (micro)benchmark be particularly relevant to measure the
overhead, if any?

- Kevin

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-11  9:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-14 14:03 [PATCH 00/22] Simplify special kernel page table handling Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 01/22] mm: drop unused __mm_flags_set_mask_bits_word() Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-21 14:57   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 02/22] mm: move mm_flags helpers to mm_types.h Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-21 14:57   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 03/22] mm: introduce MMF_KERNEL flag and set it for init_mm Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:47   ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-14 15:04     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-07-16  9:33       ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-21 15:04         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-24 16:22           ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-08-03 13:59   ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-08-05 12:07     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-10 14:07       ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-08-11  8:10       ` David Laight
2026-08-11  9:00         ` Kevin Brodsky [this message]
2026-08-11 11:19           ` David Laight
2026-08-11 13:25     ` David Laight
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 04/22] mm: use mm_is_kernel() in generic page table code Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-16  9:35   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-21 15:07     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-24 16:22       ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 05/22] arm64: mm: use mm_is_kernel() for kernel mm checks Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 06/22] loongarch: mm: use mm_is_kernel() in switch_mm_irqs_off() Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 07/22] parisc: mm: use mm_is_kernel() for kernel mm checks Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 08/22] powerpc: " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 09/22] s390: " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:03 ` [PATCH 10/22] sparc: " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 11/22] um: mm: use mm_is_kernel() in TLB sync Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 12/22] x86/mm: use mm_is_kernel() for kernel mm checks Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 15:09   ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 13/22] mm: account page table pages when allocated Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 14/22] mm: set page table page type " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 15:16   ` Vishal Moola
2026-07-16  9:49     ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-20 19:05       ` Vishal Moola
2026-07-24 16:31         ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 15/22] mm: only initialise pt_share_count for user pgtables Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-21 15:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-24 16:25     ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 16/22] efi: mark efi_mm as a kernel mm Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 17/22] mm: pagewalk: drop redundant address check for kernel mm walks Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-16 10:24   ` Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 18/22] arm64: mm: drop explicit mm_is_efi() check in contpte Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 19/22] x86/tboot: mark tboot_mm as a kernel mm Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 15:19   ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 20/22] arm64: mm: drop ctor/dtor calls for kernel page tables Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 21/22] arm: mm: drop ctor call " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-14 14:04 ` [PATCH 22/22] riscv: mm: drop ctor/dtor calls " Kevin Brodsky
2026-07-15 15:07 ` [PATCH 00/22] Simplify special kernel page table handling Kevin Brodsky

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