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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Vlad Poenaru <vlad.wing@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
	Clark Williams <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	stable@vger.kernel.org, Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] netpoll: run NAPI poll in softirq context to avoid rq->lock self-deadlock
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2026 13:59:27 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ajKMH_LmiZhjNlOW@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260617111504.GK49951@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed 2026-06-17 13:15:04, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2026 at 12:12:07PM +0200, Petr Mladek wrote:
> > On Tue 2026-06-16 17:31:22, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > > On 2026-06-16 08:11:28 [-0700], Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Adding sched and printk folks for opinions while eyeballing
> > > > > WARN_ON_DEFERRED().
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks a lot for looking into this! To be clear - the printk_deferred /
> > > > WARN_DEFERRED would be just for stable? Or there's still some
> > > > sensitivity even with nbcon?
> > > 
> > > We already have printk_deferred(). WARN_DEFERRED() would be new. I
> > > *think* this is not limited netpoll/ netconsole but all console drivers
> > > not using CON_NBCON if the printk (via WARN) occurs with the rq held.
> > > I don't remember all the details but printk_deferred() was introduced to
> > > circumvent this until printk is fixed.
> > 
> > Just to make it clear. The problem with the legacy consoles is that
> > they are called under console_lock() which is a semaphore. And it
> > calls wake_up_process() in console_unlock() when there is another
> > waiter on the lock.
> > 
> > > Once we get rid of those legacy drivers and NBCON is the default we can
> > > get rid of printk_deferred() :)
> > 
> > Yup.
> 
> Can't we push all the legacy consoles into a single legacy kthread? I
> mean, converting all consoles is of course awesome, but should we really
> wait for that?

I am afraid that converting the consoles one by one is the deal with
Linus. I could imagine to moving last few sinners into the kthread
when the majority is converted. But we are far from there :-/

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-17 11:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-10 18:36 [PATCH net] netpoll: run NAPI poll in softirq context to avoid rq->lock self-deadlock Vlad Poenaru
2026-06-11 18:36 ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-12  2:11 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-15 13:56   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-16 10:35   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-16 15:11     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-16 15:31       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-06-17 10:12         ` Petr Mladek
2026-06-17 11:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-17 11:59             ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2026-06-17 12:12               ` John Ogness
2026-06-16 16:32     ` Breno Leitao
2026-06-17  7:42       ` John Ogness
2026-06-16 17:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-16 21:17       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-06-17 10:37         ` Petr Mladek
2026-06-17 11:19           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-17 12:13             ` Petr Mladek
2026-06-17 14:56             ` Breno Leitao
2026-06-17 17:07               ` John Ogness
2026-06-17 20:21               ` Jakub Kicinski

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