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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Jean Delvare <khali-PUYAD+kWke1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Leon Woestenberg
	<leon.woestenberg-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Brown
	<broonie-yzvPICuk2AATkU/dhu1WVueM+bqZidxxQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>,
	Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
	<sven-IsH+rWyeNGyzjR9+/8zPv5owlv4uC7bZ@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-i2c-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	rt-users <linux-rt-users-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Ben Dooks (embedded platforms)"
	<ben-linux-elnMNo+KYs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: yield() in i2c non-happy paths hits BUG under -rt patch
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:36:48 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911182127040.24119@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091118175202.490989d8-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Jean Delvare wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:28:53 +0100, Leon Woestenberg wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Alan Cox <alan-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > > Our timers are very efficient and some day we will need to make jiffies a
> > > function and stop the timer ticking for best performance. At that point
> > > timers are probably the most efficient way to do much of this.
> >
> > The problem with I2C bitbanged is the stringent timing, we need a way
> > to have fine-grained sleeping
> > mixed with real-time tasks in order to make this work.
> 
> FWIW, the problem that was initially reported has nothing to do with
> this. i2c-algo-bit used mdelay() during transactions, not yield().
> yield() is used only in once place, _between_ transactions attempts.
> There are no strict timing constraints there.

That still does not explain why yield() is necessary _between_ the
transaction attempts.

That code is fully preemptible, otherwise you could not call
yield(). And as I said before nobody even noticed that the yield()
default implementation was changed to a NOOP by default in the
scheduler.

Thanks,

	tglx

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-18 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-07 19:01 yield() in i2c non-happy paths hits BUG under -rt patch Leon Woestenberg
     [not found] ` <c384c5ea0911071101u7415d37o2611c542e5fae309-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-07 20:01   ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]     ` <20091107210147.3e754278-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-08 18:57       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
     [not found]         ` <4AF7148C.9090706-IsH+rWyeNGyzjR9+/8zPv5owlv4uC7bZ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-12 20:12           ` Jean Delvare
2009-11-13 22:03             ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-14 18:02               ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]               ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911132139560.24119-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-16 15:56                 ` Mark Brown
     [not found]                   ` <20091116155606.GC29479-GFdadSzt00ze9xe1eoZjHA@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18  0:50                     ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-11-18  1:05                       ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                         ` <20091118010520.4cd397d4-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18 16:28                           ` Leon Woestenberg
2009-11-18 16:52                             ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]                               ` <20091118175202.490989d8-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18 20:36                                 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2009-11-19 12:05                                   ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]                                     ` <20091119130526.23a69b85-ig7AzVSIIG7kN2dkZ6Wm7A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-19 12:59                                       ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                                         ` <20091119125906.6ad00edd-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-19 13:06                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-19 14:00                                             ` Jean Delvare
2009-11-19 14:15                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-19 13:11                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19 13:21                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-19 13:22                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19 13:18                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-18 20:46                               ` [PATCH] cleanup sched_yield (sys)call nesting Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
     [not found]                                 ` <1258577194.12429.86.camel-ZUMNgey8dAdBci4yedNfAfz91O0DMRRp0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18 20:56                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                                     ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911182153010.24119-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18 21:04                                       ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2009-11-18 21:34                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]                                           ` <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911182233510.24119-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-19  4:48                                             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
     [not found]                                               ` <1258606116.25022.57.camel-ZUMNgey8dAdBci4yedNfAfz91O0DMRRp0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-19 10:36                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-19  3:20                                   ` Ingo Molnar

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