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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
	"Richard Weinberger" <richard@nod.at>,
	"Anton Ivanov" <anton.ivanov@cambridgegreys.com>,
	"Johannes Berg" <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
	"Hans de Goede" <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	"Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>,
	"Vadim Pasternak" <vadimp@nvidia.com>,
	"Bjorn Andersson" <andersson@kernel.org>,
	"Mathieu Poirier" <mathieu.poirier@linaro.org>,
	"Cornelia Huck" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"Halil Pasic" <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Eric Farman" <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Heiko Carstens" <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Vasily Gorbik" <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Alexander Gordeev" <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Sven Schnelle" <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	linux-um@lists.infradead.org,
	platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-remoteproc@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Daniel Verkamp" <dverkamp@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH vhost v4 1/6] virtio_balloon: remove the dependence where names[] is null
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 10:11:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <041867ab-6cff-4bd1-9a44-2ca847c1ad63@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1711346901.0977402-2-xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>

On 25.03.24 07:08, Xuan Zhuo wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 22:02:27 +0100, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>> On 22.03.24 20:16, Daniel Verkamp wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 3:16 AM Xuan Zhuo <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Currently, the init_vqs function within the virtio_balloon driver relies
>>>> on the condition that certain names array entries are null in order to
>>>> skip the initialization of some virtual queues (vqs). This behavior is
>>>> unique to this part of the codebase. In an upcoming commit, we plan to
>>>> eliminate this dependency by removing the function entirely. Therefore,
>>>> with this change, we are ensuring that the virtio_balloon no longer
>>>> depends on the aforementioned function.
>>>
>>> This is a behavior change, and I believe means that the driver no
>>> longer follows the spec [1].
>>>
>>> For example, the spec says that virtqueue 4 is reporting_vq, and
>>> reporting_vq only exists if VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_PAGE_REPORTING is set,
>>> but there is no mention of its virtqueue number changing if other
>>> features are not set. If a device/driver combination negotiates
>>> VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_PAGE_REPORTING but not VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_STATS_VQ or
>>> VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT, my reading of the specification is
>>> that reporting_vq should still be vq number 4, and vq 2 and 3 should
>>> be unused. This patch would make the reporting_vq use vq 2 instead in
>>> this case.
>>>
>>> If the new behavior is truly intended, then the spec does not match
>>> reality, and it would need to be changed first (IMO); however,
>>> changing the spec would mean that any devices implemented correctly
>>> per the previous spec would now be wrong, so some kind of mechanism
>>> for detecting the new behavior would be warranted, e.g. a new
>>> non-device-specific virtio feature flag.
>>>
>>> I have brought this up previously on the virtio-comment list [2], but
>>> it did not receive any satisfying answers at that time.
>>
>> Rings a bell, but staring at this patch, I thought that there would be
>> no behavioral change. Maybe I missed it :/
>>
>> I stared at virtio_ccw_find_vqs(), and it contains:
>>
>> 	for (i = 0; i < nvqs; ++i) {
>> 		if (!names[i]) {
>> 			vqs[i] = NULL;
>> 			continue;
>> 		}
>>
>> 		vqs[i] = virtio_ccw_setup_vq(vdev, queue_idx++, callbacks[i],
>> 					     names[i], ctx ? ctx[i] : false,
>> 					     ccw);
>> 		if (IS_ERR(vqs[i])) {
>> 			ret = PTR_ERR(vqs[i]);
>> 			vqs[i] = NULL;
>> 			goto out;
>> 		}
>> 	}
>>
>> We increment queue_idx only if an entry was not NULL. SO I thought no
>> behavioral change? (at least on s390x :) )
>>
>> It's late here in Germany, so maybe I'm missing something.
> 
> I think we've encountered a tricky issue. Currently, all transports handle queue
> id by incrementing them in order, without skipping any queue id. So, I'm quite
> surprised that my changes would affect the spec. The fact that the
> 'names' value is null is just a small trick in the Linux kernel implementation
> and should not have an impact on the queue id.
> 
> I believe that my recent modification will not affect the spec. So, let's
> consider the issues with this patch set separately for now. Regarding the Memory
> Balloon Device, it has been operational for many years, and perhaps we should
> add to the spec that if a certain vq does not exist, then subsequent vqs will
> take over its id.

Right, if I am not missing something your patch should have no 
functional change in that regard (that the current 
behavior/implementation might not match the spec is a different discussion).

@Daniel, if I'm missing something, please shout.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb


  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-25  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-21 10:15 [PATCH vhost v4 0/6] refactor the params of find_vqs() Xuan Zhuo
2024-03-21 10:15 ` [PATCH vhost v4 1/6] virtio_balloon: remove the dependence where names[] is null Xuan Zhuo
2024-03-22 11:56   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-25  6:03     ` Xuan Zhuo
2024-03-22 19:16   ` Daniel Verkamp
2024-03-22 21:02     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-25  6:08       ` Xuan Zhuo
2024-03-25  9:11         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-03-26 20:23           ` Daniel Verkamp
2024-03-25  9:44         ` Cornelia Huck
2024-03-26  4:11           ` Jason Wang
2024-03-26  4:25             ` Jason Wang
2024-03-21 10:15 ` [PATCH vhost v4 2/6] virtio: remove support for names array entries being null Xuan Zhuo
2024-03-21 10:15 ` [PATCH vhost v4 3/6] virtio: find_vqs: pass struct instead of multi parameters Xuan Zhuo
2024-03-21 10:15 ` [PATCH vhost v4 4/6] virtio: vring_create_virtqueue: " Xuan Zhuo
2024-03-21 10:15 ` [PATCH vhost v4 5/6] virtio: vring_new_virtqueue(): " Xuan Zhuo
2024-03-21 10:15 ` [PATCH vhost v4 6/6] virtio_ring: simplify the parameters of the funcs related to vring_create/new_virtqueue() Xuan Zhuo

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