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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: "Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 00/20] dma-mapping: Use DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED through direct, pool and swiotlb paths
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2026 14:42:16 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260630174216.GK7525@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq5ao6gtoncp.fsf@kernel.org>

On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 12:16:30PM +0530, Aneesh Kumar K.V wrote:
> >> Thinking about this more, I guess we should mark the swiotlb as
> >> cc_shared only with  CC_ATTR_GUEST_MEM_ENCRYPT instead of
> >> CC_ATTR_MEM_ENCRYPT as we have below.
> >
> > The name cc_shared should be used for GUEST scenarios only.
> >
> > I guess there is some merit in keeping swiotlb using "decrypted" to
> > mean it usinig pgprot_decrypted and set_memory_decyped() which AMD
> > gives meaning to on both host and guest.
> 
> Are you suggesting to change the struct io_tlb_mem::cc_shared back to
> struct io_tlb_mem::unencrypted?. 

Yes

> > IDK what AMD should do on the host by default. I guess it should setup
> > a swiotlb pool of low dma addrs "unencrypted", but not "cc_shared"?
> >
> 
> If by low DMA address you mean using an address with the C-bit
> cleared. 

Yes

> The current code already does this and uses the swiotlb pool correctly
> on SME.

Well, through the force_dma_unencrypted() hack...

> The challenge arises when we want to force SWIOTLB
> bouncing even for devices that can handle encrypted DMA addresses (more
> on that below). For such a config force_dma_uencrypted(dev) will return
> false and swiotlb will be marked cc_shared/decrypted = true; This trip
> the new check we added.

Yes, because cc_shared (guest) and unencrypted (host) are very
different things and we've mixed them:

> 	if (unlikely(mem->cc_shared != force_dma_unencrypted(dev)))

I'm aruging force_dma_unencrypted should mean cc_shared and be
guest_only, but the SME hack breaks this.

> We can also do
> 
> 	if (cc_platform_has(CC_ATTR_GUEST_MEM_ENCRYPT)) {
> 		/* swiotlb pool is incorrect for this device */
> 		if (unlikely(mem->cc_shared != force_dma_unencrypted(dev)))
> 			return (phys_addr_t)DMA_MAPPING_ERROR;
> 
> 		/* Force attrs to match the kind of memory in the pool */
> 		if (mem->cc_shared)
> 			*attrs |= DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED;
> 		else
> 			*attrs &= ~DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED;
> 	} else {
> 		/*
> 		 * Host memory encryption where device requires an
> 		 * unencrypted dma_addr_t due to dma mask limit
>     		 */
> 		if (force_dma_unencrypted(dev))
> 			*attrs |= DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED;
> 		else
> 			*attrs &= ~DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED;
> 	}

If we do this I would like to split the force_dma_.. functions into
guest and host, ie force_dma_cc_shared() and force_host_decrypted()

To make it clear there are two very different things here.

> Here I see value in having DMA_ATTR_UNENCRYPTED. The question is do we
> need to split this into two flags and introduce the resulting code
> duplication.

The external flag name should be DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED and only used on
CC guest. Internally that turns into using set_memory_decrypted()
which works on guest and host for AMD. I don't know how to make the
host only case clearer and still keep the code efficient..

> > The dma api has to detect, after the driver sets the dma limit, that
> > none of system memory is usable when:
> >  - The direct path is being used
> >  - phys to dma for 0 is outside the dma limit
> >
> > Then it should assume the arch has setup a swiotlb pool for it to use
> > to fix the high memory problem.
> >
> > Similar hackery would be needed in the dma alloc path to know that
> > decrypted can be used to fix the high memory problem like for GUEST.
> >
> > I guess some 'dev_cannot_reach_memory(dev)' sort of test in a
> > few key places? Setup with a static branch to be a nop on everything
> > but AMD, compiled out on every other arch.
> >
> 
> If we are not able to reach the memory because of the memory encryption
> bit, then isn't dev_cannot_reach_memory(dev) the same as
> force_dma_unencrypted(dev)? If so, that is how it is already done.

Sort of yes, but it is properly named to its purpose and not confused
with what should be a guest-only function.

> x86/dma: Disable forced SWIOTLB bouncing for SME IOMMU passthrough

Maybe as a crutch to get this series merged..

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-30 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-04  8:39 [PATCH v6 00/20] dma-mapping: Use DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED through direct, pool and swiotlb paths Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 01/20] s390: Expose protected virtualization through cc_platform_has() Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-06  0:34   ` JAEHOON KIM
2026-06-09 13:44   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 02/20] dma-direct: swiotlb: handle swiotlb alloc/free outside __dma_direct_alloc_pages Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 12:15   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 03/20] dma-direct: use DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED in alloc/free paths Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 12:18   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-17  0:50   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-06-17 14:46     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-17 15:41     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-18  2:39       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-06-30 16:02         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 04/20] dma-pool: track decrypted atomic pools and select them via attrs Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 12:23   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-09 14:32   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-10  8:07     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-10 16:41       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-11  4:51         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-11 11:30           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-11  5:25     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-11 11:37       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-11 11:50         ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 05/20] dma: swiotlb: pass mapping attributes by reference Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 12:21   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 06/20] dma: swiotlb: track pool encryption state and honor DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 12:48   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-10  8:46     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 07/20] dma-mapping: make dma_pgprot() " Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 08/20] dma-direct: pass attrs to dma_capable() for DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED checks Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 12:50   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 09/20] dma-direct: make dma_direct_map_phys() honor DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 10/20] dma-direct: set decrypted flag for remapped DMA allocations Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 11/20] dma-direct: select DMA address encoding from DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 12/20] dma-pool: fix page leak in atomic_pool_expand() cleanup Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 13/20] dma-direct: rename ret to cpu_addr in alloc helpers Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 12:54   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 14/20] dma-direct: return struct page from dma_direct_alloc_from_pool() Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 13:12   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-09 13:45   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-06-09 14:15   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 15/20] iommu/dma: Check atomic pool allocation result directly Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 13:13   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 16/20] dma: swiotlb: free dynamic pools from process context Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 13:23   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 17/20] dma: swiotlb: handle set_memory_decrypted() failures Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 13:32   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 18/20] dma: free atomic pool pages by physical address Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 19/20] swiotlb: Preserve allocation virtual address for dynamic pools Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 13:40   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-04  8:39 ` [PATCH v6 20/20] swiotlb: remove unused SWIOTLB_FORCE flag Aneesh Kumar K.V (Arm)
2026-06-09 13:44   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-06-09 13:43 ` [PATCH v6 00/20] dma-mapping: Use DMA_ATTR_CC_SHARED through direct, pool and swiotlb paths Catalin Marinas
2026-06-09 14:47   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-18  4:44     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-06-18  8:37       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-18 15:37         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-19  2:05           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-06-19 12:03             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-19 13:44               ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-22  0:58               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2026-06-30 16:18                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-19 12:14           ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-19 12:21             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-19 13:36               ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-19 14:06                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-29  6:46                   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-29  9:51                     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-30 17:42                     ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-07-01  3:09                       ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-06-11  5:52   ` Aneesh Kumar K.V

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