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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Holger Dengler <dengler@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Harald Freudenberger <freude@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vineeth Vijayan <vneethv@linux.ibm.com>,
	Peter Oberparleiter <oberpar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] s390/crypto: Replace cond_resched() with msleep(1)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2026 14:48:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260730124819.GA776954@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <39570813-27b0-40f9-89c5-8e2dce05e2f0@linux.ibm.com>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2026 at 01:34:31PM +0200, Holger Dengler wrote:
> Peter,
> 
> On 7/30/26 12:11, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2026 at 07:29:04AM +0200, Heiko Carstens wrote:
> >> With [1] cond_resched() is always compiled away and becomes a no-op.
> >>
> >> The comments for all cond_resched() calls in crypto code however indicate
> >> that the current process should be scheduled away to avoid instant
> >> re-invocation of a callback. This is not what cond_resched() would do or
> >> did.
> >>
> >> Instead of just removing the cond_resched() calls, replace them with
> >> msleep() calls, as suggested by Holger Dengler. This forces the current
> >> task to be scheduled away (sleeps) like originally intended.
> >>
> >> [1] commit 7dadeaa6e851 ("sched: Further restrict the preemption modes")
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>
> >> ---
> >>  arch/s390/crypto/paes_s390.c  | 8 ++++----
> >>  arch/s390/crypto/phmac_s390.c | 4 ++--
> >>  2 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> >>
> >> diff --git a/arch/s390/crypto/paes_s390.c b/arch/s390/crypto/paes_s390.c
> >> index 8cfe6166c193..511cb6105436 100644
> >> --- a/arch/s390/crypto/paes_s390.c
> >> +++ b/arch/s390/crypto/paes_s390.c
> >> @@ -555,7 +555,7 @@ static int ecb_paes_do_one_request(struct crypto_engine *engine, void *areq)
> >>  		 * To avoid immediately re-invocation of this callback,
> >>  		 * tell the scheduler to voluntarily give up the CPU here.
> >>  		 */
> >> -		cond_resched();
> >> +		msleep(1);
> >>  		pr_debug("rescheduling request\n");
> >>  		return -ENOSPC;
> >>  	} else if (rc) {
> > 
> > I am somewhat conflicted on this. It will add a 'random' delay to this
> > crypto user (which might be real-time task) that is not related to the
> > actual event this is waiting for.
> > 
> > That is, it could be that this key expiration thing is sorted way faster
> > than this one milisecond.
> > 
> > Is there nothing the crypto layer can do that is more clever; like a
> > condition variable on the key update when -ENOSPC is returned or
> > something.
> 
> Let me give a bit of background here: The protected key can only get
> invalid, if the linux instance (z/VM or KVM guest) is moved to another
> hypervisor on a different machine (aka life guest relocation). In such a
> case, the crypto accelerator card and the host has to exchange the "real
> key", which is wrapped by the host and handed back to the guest as the
> re-newed protected key. Unfortunately there is no asynchronous trigger
> on completion, you have to re-try (and maybe get another "in progress"
> return).
> 
> And as if that weren't bad enough, if this key exchange between card and
> host is the first one, card and host has to instanciate a secure
> communication channel (including a key exchange for the transport layer).
> 
> I agree, this sounds rally bad for real-time tasks. But we're talking
> about 2nd-level virtualization (with non-real-time hypervisors below)
> and about cases, which can only happen right after a guest relocation to
> another machine. Would the current solution be acceptable under these
> circumstances?

Yes, guest migration is very likely far more disruptive than most
anything else. Perhaps clarify the code comment to include some of this
explanation?

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-30 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-30  5:29 [PATCH v3 0/4] s390: Remove or replace cond_resched() calls Heiko Carstens
2026-07-30  5:29 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] s390/crypto: Replace cond_resched() with msleep(1) Heiko Carstens
2026-07-30  5:57   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-30  7:47   ` Holger Dengler
2026-07-30 10:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-07-30 11:34     ` Holger Dengler
2026-07-30 12:48       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-07-30  5:29 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] KVM: s390: Remove cond_resched() calls Heiko Carstens
2026-07-30  5:36   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-30  8:51   ` Claudio Imbrenda
2026-07-30  5:29 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] " Heiko Carstens
2026-07-30  5:40   ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-30  5:29 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] s390/cio: " Heiko Carstens
2026-07-30  5:37   ` sashiko-bot

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