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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>, Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux.dev, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Chandra Merla <cmerla@redhat.com>,
	Stable@vger.kernel.org, Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] s390/virtio_ccw: don't allocate/assign airqs for non-existing queues
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2025 10:38:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <39a67ca9-966b-40c1-b080-95d8e2cde376@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2b187710-329d-4d36-b2e7-158709ea60d6@redhat.com>

On 07.04.25 10:17, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 07.04.25 09:52, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 04, 2025 at 05:39:10PM +0200, Halil Pasic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not perfect, but AFAIKS, not horrible.
>>>
>>> It is like it is. QEMU does queue exist if the corresponding feature
>>> is offered by the device, and that is what we have to live with.
>>
>> I don't think we can live with this properly though.
>> It means a guest that does not know about some features
>> does not know where to find things.
> 
> Please describe a real scenario, I'm missing the point.
> 
> Whoever adds new feat_X *must be aware* about all previous features,
> otherwise we'd be reusing feature bits and everything falls to pieces.
> 
>>
>> So now, I am inclined to add linux code to work with current qemu and
>> with spec compliant one, and add qemu code to work with current linux
>> and spec compliant one.
>>
>> Document the bug in the spec, maybe, in a non conformance section.
> 
> I'm afraid this results in a lot of churn without really making things
> better.
> 
> IMHO, documenting things how they actually behave, and maybe moving
> towards fixed queue indexes for new features is the low hanging fruit.
> 
> As raised, it's not just qemu+linux, it's *at least* also cloud-hypervisor.

I'm digging for other virtio-balloon implementations.


virtio-win: 
https://github.com/virtio-win/kvm-guest-drivers-windows/blob/master/Balloon/sys/balloon.c

-> Does not support hinting/reporting -> no problem


libkrun: 
https://github.com/containers/libkrun/blob/main/src/devices/src/virtio/balloon/device.rs

-> Hard-codes queue indexes but always seems to offer all features
  -> Offers VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT and VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_STATS_VQ
     even though it doesn't seem to implement them (device-triggered, so
     nothing to do probably?)
  -> Actually seems to implements VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_REPORTING


crossvm: 
https://github.com/google/crosvm/blob/main/devices/src/virtio/balloon.rs

-> Hard-codes queue numbers; does *not* offer/implement
    VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_STATS_VQ but does offer VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_STATS_VQ
    and VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_DEFLATE_ON_OOM.

-> Implements something that is not in the virtio-spec

const VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_WS_REPORTING: u32 = 8; // Working Set Reporting 
virtqueues

and

const WS_DATA_VQ: usize = 5;
const WS_OP_VQ: usize = 6;


IIUC, Linux inside cross-vm might actually be problematic? They would 
disagree on the virtqueue for free-page-reporting


Maybe I am missing something, it's a mess ...

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-04-07  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-02 20:36 [PATCH v1] s390/virtio_ccw: don't allocate/assign airqs for non-existing queues David Hildenbrand
2025-04-03  9:44 ` Thomas Huth
2025-04-03 12:45 ` Cornelia Huck
2025-04-03 12:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 13:12 ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-04-03 14:18 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-03 14:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04  4:36     ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-04 10:00       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 10:55         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 13:36           ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-04 13:48             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 14:00               ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-04 14:17                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 15:39                   ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-04 16:49                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-04 17:36                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  7:52                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07  8:17                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  8:34                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07  8:44                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  8:49                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07  8:54                               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  8:58                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07  9:11                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  9:13                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 13:13                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 17:39                                         ` Daniel Verkamp
2025-04-07 18:47                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 21:09                                             ` Daniel Verkamp
2025-04-09 11:02                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 21:20                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-09 10:46                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-09 10:56                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-09 11:12                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-09 12:07                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-09 12:24                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-09 16:08                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07  9:37                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 13:12                           ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-07 13:17                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07 13:28                               ` Cornelia Huck
2025-04-07 13:32                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07 17:26                                 ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-07  8:38                         ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-04-07  8:44                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07  8:50                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  9:22                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  8:41                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-06 18:42               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07  7:18                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  8:54                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-07  9:08                     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-06 15:40           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-03 14:35   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04  4:02     ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-04  5:33       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-04-04 12:05         ` Halil Pasic
2025-04-10 18:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-11 11:11   ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-04-11 12:42     ` Heiko Carstens
2025-04-11 12:47       ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-04-11 13:34       ` David Hildenbrand

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