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From: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Harald Freudenberger <freude@linux.ibm.com>,
	Holger Dengler <dengler@linux.ibm.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Simo Sorce <simo@redhat.com>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] lib/crypto: Add SHA3-224, SHA3-256, SHA3-384, SHA-512, SHAKE128, SHAKE256
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2025 21:53:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5078839.1IzOArtZ34@tauon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3975735.1758311280@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

Am Freitag, 19. September 2025, 21:48:00 Mitteleuropäische Sommerzeit 
schrieb David Howells:

Hi David,

> > I see you also have a test in sha3_mod_init(), which doesn't make 
sense.
> > The tests should be in the KUnit test suite(s).  If you intended for 
the
> > sha3_mod_init() test to be a FIPS pre-operational self-test, then (1) 
it
> > would first need to be confirmed with the people doing FIPS
> > certifications that a FIPS pre-operational self-test is actually
> > necessary here, (2) it would need to be fixed to actually fulfill the
> > requirements for that type of test such as panicing the kernel on
> > failure, and (3) it would need to come in its own patch with its own
> > explanation.  But, unless you are sure you actually need the FIPS test,
> > just omit it out for now and focus on the real tests.
> 
> I disagree.  It should have at least a single self-test.  If we fail to 
load
> any modules because the hash is broken on a particular CPU, it would be
> useful to have a note in dmesg.  Loading kunit test modules becomes 
tricky
> in such a case.

Just for clarifications of the FIPS requirements: One test of any of the 
SHA3/SHAKE algorithms during startup is sufficient for *one* Keccak 
implementation. FIPS wants the actual Keccak sponge being tested, it does 
not care for the miniscule differences between the different SHA/SHAKE 
definitions.

Yet, if we have multiple Keccak sponge implementations, then each needs its 
own self test.

Ciao
Stephan



  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-19 19:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-19 16:31 [PATCH v2] lib/crypto: Add SHA3-224, SHA3-256, SHA3-384, SHA-512, SHAKE128, SHAKE256 David Howells
2025-09-19 19:04 ` Eric Biggers
2025-09-19 19:48   ` David Howells
2025-09-19 19:53     ` Stephan Mueller [this message]
2025-09-19 20:47       ` Eric Biggers
2025-09-19 21:20         ` Stephan Mueller
2025-09-19 20:32     ` Eric Biggers
2025-09-23 17:36       ` David Howells
2025-09-23 17:45         ` Eric Biggers
2025-09-20 10:53 ` kernel test robot
2025-09-21 19:27 ` Eric Biggers
2025-09-21 21:18   ` David Howells
2025-09-21 21:57     ` Eric Biggers
2025-09-23 14:22   ` David Howells
2025-09-23 15:32     ` Eric Biggers
2025-09-23 16:25       ` David Howells
2025-09-23 16:31         ` David Howells
2025-09-25  8:39           ` Ard Biesheuvel

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