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From: Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>
To: Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>, Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com>,
	Matthew Rosato <mjrosato@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jared Rossi <jrossi@linux.ibm.com>,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] vfio-ccw: Fix interrupt handling for HALT/CLEAR
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:28:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6b671a9cc1e4b0206e9048f96b87182db188beec.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210423152311.20570945.pasic@linux.ibm.com>

On Fri, 2021-04-23 at 15:23 +0200, Halil Pasic wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 13:06:16 +0200
> Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 16:49:21 -0400
> > Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 2021-04-22 at 02:52 +0200, Halil Pasic wrote:  
> > > > On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 20:24:06 +0200
> > > > Eric Farman <farman@linux.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > >     
> > > > > Hi Conny, Halil,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Let's restart our discussion about the collision between interrupts
> > > > > for
> > > > > START SUBCHANNEL and HALT/CLEAR SUBCHANNEL. It's been a quarter
> > > > > million
> > > > > minutes (give or take), so here is the problematic scenario again:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 	CPU 1			CPU 2
> > > > >  1	CLEAR SUBCHANNEL
> > > > >  2	fsm_irq()
> > > > >  3				START SUBCHANNEL
> > > > >  4	vfio_ccw_sch_io_todo()
> > > > >  5				fsm_irq()
> > > > >  6				vfio_ccw_sch_io_todo()
> > > > > 
> > > > > From the channel subsystem's point of view the CLEAR SUBCHANNEL
> > > > > (step 1)
> > > > > is complete once step 2 is called, as the Interrupt Response Block
> > > > > (IRB)
> > > > > has been presented and the TEST SUBCHANNEL was driven by the cio
> > > > > layer.
> > > > > Thus, the START SUBCHANNEL (step 3) is submitted [1] and gets a
> > > > > cc=0 to
> > > > > indicate the I/O was accepted. However, step 2 stacks the bulk of
> > > > > the
> > > > > actual work onto a workqueue for when the subchannel lock is NOT
> > > > > held,
> > > > > and is unqueued at step 4. That code misidentifies the data in the
> > > > > IRB
> > > > > as being associated with the newly active I/O, and may release
> > > > > memory
> > > > > that is actively in use by the channel subsystem and/or device.
> > > > > Eww.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In this version...
> > > > > 
> > > > > Patch 1 and 2 are defensive checks. Patch 2 was part of v3 [2], but
> > > > > I
> > > > > would love a better option here to guard between steps 2 and 4.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Patch 3 is a subset of the removal of the CP_PENDING FSM state in
> > > > > v3.
> > > > > I've obviously gone away from this idea, but I thought this piece
> > > > > is
> > > > > still valuable.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Patch 4 collapses the code on the interrupt path so that changes to
> > > > > the FSM state and the channel_program struct are handled at the
> > > > > same
> > > > > point, rather than separated by a mutex boundary. Because of the
> > > > > possibility of a START and HALT/CLEAR running concurrently, it does
> > > > > not make sense to split them here.
> > > > > 
> > > > > With the above patches, maybe it then makes sense to hold the
> > > > > io_mutex
> > > > > across the entirety of vfio_ccw_sch_io_todo(). But I'm not
> > > > > completely
> > > > > sure that would be acceptable.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So... Thoughts?    
> > > > 
> > > > I believe we should address    
> > > 
> > > Who is the "we" here?
> > >   
> > > >  the concurrency, encapsulation and layering
> > > > issues in the subchannel/ccw pass-through code (vfio-ccw) by taking a
> > > > holistic approach as soon as possible.  
> > 
> > Let me also ask: what is "holistic"? If that's a complete rewrite, I
> > definitely don't have the capacity for that; if others want to take
> > over the code, feel free.
> > 
> 
> In general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holism
> 
> In this context I mean:
> * Fix all data races in in the vfio-ccw module instead of making the
> "race window" smaller. Reasoning about the behavior of racy programs
> is very difficult.
> * The passed-through subchannel of the VM, as seen by the guest OS is an
> overlay of the host subchannel (which we have to assume is within the
> specification), the vfio-ccw kernel module, and an userspace emulator.
> The interface between the kernel module and the userspace emulator is
> something the authors of the vfio-ccw kernel module design, and while
> doing so we have to think about the interface the whole solution needs
> to implemnet. For example we should ask ourselves: what is the right
> response in kernel when we encounter the situation described by the
> steps 1-3 of Eric's scenario. Our VMs subchannel needs to reward the
> SSC with a cc=2 if the subchannel has the clear FC bit set. If we detect
> the described condition, does it mean that the userspace emulator is
> broken? Or is the userspace emulator allowed to rely on the vfio-ccw
> kernel module to detect this condition and return an -EBUSY (which
> corresponds to cc=2 because that is apart of the definition of the
> interface between the kernel and the userspace)? When is the FC bit
> of our VMs subchannel cleared? I read patch 2 like it is trying to catch
> the condition and return an -EBUSY, but I don't see it catching all
> the possible cases. I.e. what if another CPU is executing the first
> instruction of vfio_ccw_sch_io_todo() when we check 
> work_pending(&private->io_work) in fsm_io_helper()?
> 
> [..]
> 
> > >   
> > > > Moreover patch 4 seems to rely on
> > > > private->state which, AFAIR is still used in a racy fashion.
> > > > 
> > > > But if strong empirical evidence shows that it performs better (stops
> > > > the bleeding), I think we can go ahead with it.    
> > > 
> > > Again with the bleeding. Is there a Doctor in the house? :)  
> > 
> > No idea, seen any blue boxes around? :)
> > 
> 
> Let me also ask what: blue boxes do you mean? If you mean
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_box
> then, I'm not sure I can follow your association. Are you looking for
> phone to call a doctor?

I think he's talking about this phone box: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARDIS

> 
> Regards,
> Halil


  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-23 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-13 18:24 [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] vfio-ccw: Fix interrupt handling for HALT/CLEAR Eric Farman
2021-04-13 18:24 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/4] vfio-ccw: Check initialized flag in cp_init() Eric Farman
2021-04-14 16:30   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-04-13 18:24 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/4] vfio-ccw: Check workqueue before doing START Eric Farman
2021-04-15 10:51   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-04-15 13:48     ` Eric Farman
2021-04-15 16:19       ` Cornelia Huck
2021-04-15 18:42         ` Eric Farman
2021-04-16 14:41           ` Cornelia Huck
2021-04-13 18:24 ` [RFC PATCH v4 3/4] vfio-ccw: Reset FSM state to IDLE inside FSM Eric Farman
2021-04-15 10:54   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-04-13 18:24 ` [RFC PATCH v4 4/4] vfio-ccw: Reset FSM state to IDLE before io_mutex Eric Farman
2021-04-21 10:25   ` Cornelia Huck
2021-04-21 12:58     ` Eric Farman
2021-04-22 16:16       ` Eric Farman
2021-04-22  0:52 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/4] vfio-ccw: Fix interrupt handling for HALT/CLEAR Halil Pasic
2021-04-22 20:49   ` Eric Farman
2021-04-23 11:06     ` Cornelia Huck
2021-04-23 13:23       ` Halil Pasic
2021-04-23 13:28         ` Niklas Schnelle [this message]
2021-04-23 15:53         ` Eric Farman
2021-04-23 11:50     ` Halil Pasic
2021-04-23 15:53       ` Eric Farman
2021-04-23 17:08         ` Halil Pasic
2021-04-23 19:07           ` Eric Farman
2021-04-24  0:18             ` Halil Pasic

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