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From: Tariq Toukan <ttoukan.linux@gmail.com>
To: Alexandra Winter <wintera@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>
Cc: Rahul Rameshbabu <rrameshbabu@nvidia.com>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	Tariq Toukan <tariqt@nvidia.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	Nils Hoppmann <niho@linux.ibm.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vasily Gorbik <gor@linux.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	Thorsten Winkler <twinkler@linux.ibm.com>,
	Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] net/mlx5e: Transmit small messages in linear skb
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2024 13:36:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6ebe9fdf-ae3f-4e77-a2d4-82427e59f51b@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8e7f3798-c303-44b9-ae3f-5343f7f811e8@linux.ibm.com>



On 06/12/2024 17:20, Alexandra Winter wrote:
> 
> 
> On 04.12.24 15:32, Alexander Lobakin wrote:
>>> @@ -269,6 +270,10 @@ static void mlx5e_sq_xmit_prepare(struct mlx5e_txqsq *sq, struct sk_buff *skb,
>>>   {
>>>   	struct mlx5e_sq_stats *stats = sq->stats;
>>>   
>>> +	/* Don't require 2 IOMMU TLB entries, if one is sufficient */
>>> +	if (use_dma_iommu(sq->pdev) && skb->truesize <= PAGE_SIZE)
>     +		skb_linearize(skb);
>> 1. What's with the direct DMA? I believe it would benefit, too?
> 
> 
> Removing the use_dma_iommu check is fine with us (s390). It is just a proposal to reduce the impact.
> Any opinions from the NVidia people?
> 
> 
>> 2. Why truesize, not something like
>>
>> 	if (skb->len <= some_sane_value_maybe_1k)
> 
> 
> With (skb->truesize <= PAGE_SIZE) the whole "head" buffer fits into 1 page.
> When we set the threshhold at a smaller value, skb->len makes more sense
> 
> 
>>
>> 3. As Eric mentioned, PAGE_SIZE can be up to 256 Kb, I don't think
>>     it's a good idea to rely on this.
>>     Some test-based hardcode would be enough (i.e. threshold on which
>>     DMA mapping starts performing better).
> 
> 
> A threshhold of 4k is absolutely fine with us (s390).
> A threshhold of 1k would definitvely improve our situation and bring back the performance for some important scenarios.
> 
> 
> NVidia people do you have any opinion on a good threshhold?
> 

Hi,

Many approaches in the past few years are going the opposite direction, 
trying to avoid copies ("zero-copy").

In many cases, copy up to PAGE_SIZE means copy everything.
For high NIC speeds this is not realistic.

Anyway, based on past experience, threshold should not exceed "max 
header size" (128/256b).



  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-09 11:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-04 14:02 [PATCH net-next] net/mlx5e: Transmit small messages in linear skb Alexandra Winter
2024-12-04 14:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2024-12-04 14:35   ` Alexandra Winter
2024-12-04 14:36   ` Eric Dumazet
2024-12-06 14:47     ` David Laight
2024-12-06 16:35       ` Eric Dumazet
2024-12-06 15:25     ` Alexandra Winter
2024-12-10 11:49       ` Dragos Tatulea
2024-12-11 16:19         ` Alexandra Winter
2024-12-11 17:36           ` Dragos Tatulea
2024-12-04 14:32 ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-12-06 15:20   ` Alexandra Winter
2024-12-09 11:36     ` Tariq Toukan [this message]
2024-12-10 11:44     ` Dragos Tatulea
2024-12-10 13:54       ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-12-10 17:10         ` Joe Damato
2024-12-11 13:35         ` Alexandra Winter
2024-12-11 17:28           ` Dragos Tatulea
2024-12-11 17:50             ` Niklas Schnelle
2024-12-13 20:41               ` Dragos Tatulea
2024-12-12 10:36             ` Christian Borntraeger

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