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From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: Harald Freudenberger <freude@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: linux390-list@tuxmaker.boeblingen.de.ibm.com,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	jchrist@linux.ibm.com, dengler@linux.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] s390/archrandom: remove CPACF trng invocations in interrupt context
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 14:27:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ys1olOgaw44dXeiT@zx2c4.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4881578c512c5420315abfef47068df0@linux.ibm.com>

Hi Harald,

On Tue, Jul 12, 2022 at 02:09:35PM +0200, Harald Freudenberger wrote:
> > You've gone through the troubles of confirming experimentally what
> > in_task() does, but that doesn't answer *why* it should be disallowed
> > variously in each one of these contexts.
> 
> I think, I showed this. The only real occurrences remaining for the
> arch_get_random_seed_long() call is within softirq context when the
> network layer tries to allocate some skb buffers. My personal feeling
> about this is that it does not hurt - but I asked our network guys
> and their feedback is clear: no way - every delay there may cause
> high bandwidth traffic to stumble and this is to be absolutely avoided.
> However, they can't give me any measurements.
> 
> So yes, the intention is now with checking for in_task() to prevent
> the trng call in hard and soft interrupt context. But still I'd like
> to meet your condition to provide good random at kernel startup.

That's too bad, but okay.

Final question: do you see any of the in_task() vs in_whatever()
semantics changing if arch_get_random_words{,_seed}() is ever
implemented, which would reduce the current multitude of calls to the
trng to a single call?

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-12 12:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-12 10:08 [PATCH] s390/archrandom: remove CPACF trng invocations in interrupt context Harald Freudenberger
2022-07-12 10:23 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-07-12 12:09   ` Harald Freudenberger
2022-07-12 12:27     ` Jason A. Donenfeld [this message]
2022-07-12 14:35       ` Harald Freudenberger
2022-07-12 14:44         ` Jason A. Donenfeld

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