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From: Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>
To: "Michal Suchánek" <msuchanek@suse.de>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] entry: Untangle the return value of syscall_enter_from_user_mode from syscall NR
Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2026 08:16:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yt9d1pdkbns7.fsf@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <akZV7kjVh37z63Nz@kunlun.suse.cz>

Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@suse.de> writes:

> On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 02:01:02PM +0200, Sven Schnelle wrote:
>> Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@suse.de> writes:
>> 
>> > On Thu, Jul 02, 2026 at 10:12:35AM +0200, Sven Schnelle wrote:
>> >> Michal Suchánek <msuchanek@suse.de> writes:
>> >> 
>> >> > The return value of syscall_enter_from_user_mode is used both for the
>> >> > adjusted syscall number and the indicator that a syscall should be
>> >> > skipped.
>> >> >
>> >> > As seccomp can be invoked on any syscall, including invalid ones this
>> >> > somewhat undermines seccomp.
>> >> >
>> >> > While the seccomp variants that terminate the process do not need to
>> >> > care about this for the filter that sets the syscall return value this
>> >> > disctinction is required.
>> >> >
>> >> > Pass the syscall number as a pointer to the inline entry functions, and
>> >> > use the return value exclusively for the indication that the syscall is
>> >> > already handled.
>> >> >
>> >> > This should avoid the need for the s390 PIF_SYSCALL_RET_SET which is the
>> >> > workaround for exactly this deficiency.
>> >> 
>> >> I'm not sure whether PIF_SYSCALL_RET_SET can be removed - the syscall
>> >> return might still get set by PTRACE_SET_SYSCALL_INFO when the tracee is
>> >> stopped. This might be a positive number which can't be distinguished
>> >> from a syscall number. But maybe i'm missing something? It's been quite
>> >> a while since I touched all that ptrace stuff.
>> >
>> > When the syscall return value is set (in the registers) the return value
>> > which is also the modified syscall number is set to -1 indicating the
>> > syscall was handled. At least that's how the API is described.
>> >
>> > So yes, if the syscall number range is restricted or the syscall number
>> > is returned through a path different from the function return value the
>> > flag should not be needed in the entry path because the case can be
>> > detected through the return value alone.
>> 
>> I'm still failing to see how this would work without an additional
>> flag. Assume a program (the tracee) is stopped because of a syscall
>> entry. The tracer then decides to skip the syscall and changes
>> regs->gpr2 (which contains either the syscall number or return value)
>> to contain 42. When the tracer than restarts the syscall, how does
>> do_syscall() know that gpr2 is now a return value and not a syscall number?
>
> Because then the return value from the syscall_enter_from_user_mode
> machinery would be -1 indicating the syscall should be skipped. That is
> how the return value of syscall_enter_from_user_mode is documented, I
> did not verify that it actually works that way for the tracing case on
> s390.

I read the code and tested - I think I confused the way how syscall are
intercepted by seccomp vs. ptrace. The PIF_SYSCALL_RET_SET is indeed
only required to indicate syscalls skipped via seccomp and not ptrace.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-03  6:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-01 17:42 [RFC] entry: Untangle the return value of syscall_enter_from_user_mode from syscall NR Michal Suchánek
2026-07-01 17:58 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-01 18:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-07-02  9:30   ` Michal Suchánek
2026-07-02 21:49   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-07-03  6:26     ` Sven Schnelle
2026-07-03  9:25       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-07-03  9:27       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-07-03  9:59         ` Sven Schnelle
2026-07-03 10:57           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-07-03 11:17             ` Sven Schnelle
2026-07-03 11:25             ` Michal Suchánek
2026-07-03 11:39               ` Sven Schnelle
2026-07-02  8:12 ` Sven Schnelle
2026-07-02  9:12   ` Michal Suchánek
2026-07-02 12:01     ` Sven Schnelle
2026-07-02 12:13       ` Michal Suchánek
2026-07-03  6:16         ` Sven Schnelle [this message]
2026-07-02 11:24 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-07-02 11:45   ` Michal Suchánek
2026-07-02 20:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-07-03  7:53       ` Michal Suchánek
2026-07-03  9:34         ` Thomas Gleixner

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