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From: Pat LaVarre <p.lavarre@ieee.org>
To: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Cc: dougg@torque.net, patmans@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Request for review of Linux iSCSI driver version 4.0.0.1
Date: 10 Dec 2003 17:12:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1071101529.28943.48.camel@patibmrh9> (raw)

> Date: 2003-11-07 8:55:01
> From: Doug Gilbert ...
> ....
> ** There is also the Power Condition mode
> page that all SCSI devices may optionally
> support. Trouble is with my SCSI-3 disks they
> either don't support it or the one that does
> gives ASC/ASCQ=04/02 when the disk is spun
> down (violating SPC-3).

We have a specific spc 3 rev and clause in mind?

> Date: 2003-11-10 17:43:22
> From: Patrick Mansfield
> ...
> whoever spun down the drive should spin it up.
> ...
> Whatever caused the spin down should spin it back up.

Auto spin up doesn't work with much direct-attached Windows.

For example, people say Win ME/9X in particular limit ATA/PI read to
7.5+0.5s.  For a device whose spinup exceeds 7s, the only scheme I've
ever seen work there is to notify the host e.g. via SK ASC ASCQ x 2 04
02 that some other thread spun down the drive.  I hear XP/ 2K/ NT need
ASCQ x02 whereas ME/ 9X properly understood that x00 in SCSI ASCQ by
definition means x00..FF and thus ME/ 9X do match x00 with x02.

> Date: 2003-12-03 22:57:58
> From: Scott M. Ferris ...
> ...
> Somebody really needs to come up with a cache
> design that doesn't silently discard unwritten
> data when block writes start failing ...

Aye.

> especially problematic on network SCSI
> transports like Fibre Channel and iSCSI, where
> network problems can cause all sorts of
> failures not commonly seen with parallel
> SCSI, USB, or any other direct-attached storage.

Loss of write-behind also occurs perceptibly often in direct-attached
storage.

dvd+rw/ cd-rw in particular often round up 2 KiB write requests to 32 or
64 KiB read-modify-write, and thus destroy blocks not even addressed
(e.g. parts of other udf.ko files allotted in 2 KiB blocks) when writes
fail.

Pat LaVarre



             reply	other threads:[~2003-12-11  0:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-11  0:12 Pat LaVarre [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-12-11 15:47 Re:Request for review of Linux iSCSI driver version 4.0.0.1 N.C.Krishna Murthy
2003-12-12 12:48 ` Request " Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-12 15:29   ` N.C.Krishna Murthy
2003-12-13  2:46   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-12-01 12:30 Naveen Burmi
2003-12-01 14:08 ` Naveen Burmi
2003-12-01 18:48   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-12-01 19:23   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-12-01 16:20 ` Roman Zippel
2003-12-01 17:19   ` Scott M. Ferris
2003-12-01 20:06     ` Clay Haapala
2003-12-01 20:31       ` Andre Hedrick
2003-12-01 20:58         ` Clay Haapala
2003-12-02  3:46   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-12-02 12:02     ` Naveen Burmi
2003-12-02 13:57     ` Roman Zippel
2003-12-02 11:56   ` Naveen Burmi
2003-12-02 14:11     ` Roman Zippel
2003-12-02 16:37     ` James Bottomley
2003-12-02 17:42       ` Mike Anderson
2003-12-02 23:55         ` James Bottomley
2003-12-02 23:41       ` Clay Haapala
2003-12-03 14:06       ` Naveen Burmi
2003-12-03 15:09         ` James Bottomley
2003-12-03 17:03           ` Clay Haapala
2003-12-03 17:32             ` James Bottomley
2003-12-03 17:54             ` Mike Anderson
2003-12-03 20:31               ` Clay Haapala
2003-12-03 21:14                 ` James Bottomley
2003-12-03 21:53                   ` Scott M. Ferris
2003-12-03 22:57                 ` Scott M. Ferris
2003-12-03 20:45               ` Clay Haapala
2003-12-03 21:19                 ` James Bottomley
2003-12-11 11:21                   ` Naveen Burmi
2003-12-03 22:15                 ` Scott M. Ferris
2003-12-03 22:32                   ` Clay Haapala
2003-12-03 23:24                 ` Mike Anderson
2003-12-06 19:37       ` Andre Hedrick
2003-12-07  0:37         ` Roman Zippel
2003-11-21 11:40 Shashi Kiran T.R
2003-11-21 17:56 ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-10-23 12:04 Krishna Murthy
2003-10-27 15:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-10-29 13:23   ` Surekha.PC
2003-10-29 13:45     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-10-29 17:28       ` Mike Christie
2003-10-29 18:45         ` Clay Haapala
2003-10-29 19:01           ` Mike Christie
2003-10-29 19:17             ` Clay Haapala
2003-10-29 19:33               ` Mike Christie
2003-10-30 23:42                 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-10-30 13:34         ` jd
2003-11-11 11:56       ` Naveen Burmi
2003-11-11 17:36         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-11-19 12:40           ` Krishna Murthy
2003-11-19 12:49             ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-11-19 13:38             ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-11-11 17:40         ` James Bottomley
2003-11-06  9:42   ` Sachin Mhatre (smhatre)
2003-11-06 10:09     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-11-07  8:55       ` Douglas Gilbert
2003-11-07  9:30         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-11-10 17:43         ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-06 11:10     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-11-06 11:14       ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-11-13 14:30   ` Sachin Mhatre (smhatre)
2003-11-13 14:54     ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-11-19 13:04   ` Sachin Mhatre (smhatre)
2003-11-19 13:10     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-11-19 14:48   ` Naveen Burmi
2003-11-19 14:48     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-11-19 15:19       ` Naveen Burmi
2003-11-19 15:20         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-01 12:10       ` Krishna Murthy
2003-12-01 15:22         ` James Bottomley
2003-12-04 12:30           ` N.C.Krishna Murthy
2003-12-05 15:33             ` James Bottomley
2003-12-05 17:03               ` Brian King
2003-12-08 15:06               ` N.C.Krishna Murthy
2003-12-08 15:46                 ` Scott M. Ferris
2003-12-10 15:01                   ` N.C.Krishna Murthy
2003-12-10 16:50                     ` Scott M. Ferris
2003-12-11 14:48               ` N.C.Krishna Murthy
2003-12-01 15:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-12-02  5:52           ` N.C.Krishna Murthy
2003-12-02 16:59             ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-19 17:17     ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-20 13:32       ` Naveen Burmi
2003-11-20 13:34         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-11-20 14:53           ` Naveen Burmi
2003-11-21 16:42   ` Clay Haapala
2003-11-21 17:32     ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-11-21 18:18       ` Clay Haapala
2003-11-26 13:41         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-11-24  6:09   ` Surekha.PC
2003-11-24  7:48     ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-11-24 20:45       ` Patrick Mansfield
2003-11-26 13:45         ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2003-12-11 12:31       ` Naveen Burmi

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