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From: Damien Le Moal <dlemoal@kernel.org>
To: Nilay Shroff <nilay@linux.ibm.com>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>,
	"Martin K . Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] scsi: avoid to send scsi command with ->queue_limits lock held
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:50:53 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <84b856a9-482a-45ac-974b-61bbe619b588@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <89b19b37-3e47-4914-aed0-83e5602c3ab8@linux.ibm.com>

On 1/4/25 20:28, Nilay Shroff wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1/4/25 12:47 PM, Damien Le Moal wrote:
>> On 12/31/24 13:22, Ming Lei wrote:
>>> Block request queue is often frozen before acquiring the queue
>>> ->limits_lock.
>>
>> "often" is rather vague. What cases are we talking about here beside the block
>> layer sysfs ->store() operations ? Fixing these is easy and does not need this
>> change.
> Other than sysfs ->store(), I see there're few call sites in NVMe driver (nvme_update_
> ns_info_block(), nvme_update_ns_info_generic(), nvme_update_ns_info() etc.) which first
> freezes queue and then acquire limits lock. Also there's one call site (__blk_mq_update_
> nr_hw_queues) in block layer which does the same.

I sent a patch to address the block layer sysfs. Starting looking into these
other calls with the reversed locking.

>> Furthermore, this change almost feels like a layering violation as it replicates
>> most of the queue limits structure inside sd. This introducing a strong
>> dependency to the block layer internals which we should avoid.
>>
> In theory, we don't need to hold limits lock while sd_revalidate_disk() reads various
> limits from hardware. However can't we make this one exception (till we find a better 
> solution) for sd_revalidate_disk() and allow it to acquire limits lock while blk-mq 
> request is processed?

Sure, but issuing IOs to probe a device with the limits lock held is also *not*
an issue. All that can cause is a slight delay for user initiated changes
through sysfs. The fundamental issue is not issuing IOs with the limits lock
held, it is the inconsistent ordering of the calls to blk_mq_freeze_queue and
queue_limits_start_update().

My take on this is that we should always freeze the queue only once the limits
lock is held, with the queue freeze only around queue_limits_commit_update(). If
the consensus is to do the reverse, that's fine with me as well, but probably
will be more work to change (as this large patch tends to indicate).

-- 
Damien Le Moal
Western Digital Research

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-04 12:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-31  4:22 [PATCH] scsi: avoid to send scsi command with ->queue_limits lock held Ming Lei
2025-01-01 11:16 ` Nilay Shroff
2025-01-02  1:09   ` Ming Lei
2025-01-04  7:17 ` Damien Le Moal
2025-01-04 11:28   ` Nilay Shroff
2025-01-04 12:50     ` Damien Le Moal [this message]
2025-01-06  1:02   ` Ming Lei
2025-01-06  1:30     ` Damien Le Moal
2025-01-06  3:01       ` Ming Lei

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