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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	"Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	"Stephen Smalley" <stephen.smalley.work@gmail.com>,
	"Jeff Xu" <jeffxu@google.com>,
	"Thiébaud Weksteen" <tweek@google.com>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	"Ondrej Mosnacek" <omosnace@redhat.com>,
	selinux@vger.kernel.org,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	"Vlastimil Babka" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	"Pedro Falcato" <pfalcato@suse.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] proc: query LSMs for introspective mem access (if PROC_MEM_FORCE_ALWAYS)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2026 14:42:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ao2a33Xf3U0kQmM_@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez2-8UjzOp=St5eTPyG_yd2iBmPF6y7qVBTNaPNJgoX=BA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 07:43:02PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 7:33 PM Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) <ljs@kernel.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 07:06:04PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2026 at 8:52 PM Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) <ljs@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > The sharing a /proc/mem fd seems like that's a pretty dumb thing to do in
> > > > general :) but I guess you have to protect against that.
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's a kinda weird thing to do...
> >
> > Yup :)) but I guess we have to account for people doing weird stuff...
> >
> > In this case (I do mention it in a reply elsewhere I think) it does seem
> > like perhaps you should separately check for current->mm != mm of (what was
> > originally /proc/self/mm)?
>
> I wouldn't want to do it for this access check, since that could lead
> to "confused deputy" problems.

I guess if it got the decision wrong somehow that'd be a problem? Or wrongly
OK'd it on one level but then that led to the fd being passed on assumption it
was OK to do it or something?

>
> > Or at least it seems like a crazy thing to be able to get full access to
> > another process's memory (that it... gave you though).
> >
> > Anyway perhaps overthinking it :)
>
> Hm, yes, though I guess that is kind of orthogonal.
>
> For what it's worth, SELinux can prevent such things happening across
> domain boundaries - it enforces that, in the SELinux ruleset, the
> process calling read()/write() on an FD is granted FILE__READ /
> FILE__WRITE permission to the file's inode.

Ah OK that's good that it's at least possible to check for this class of problem
so the rest is moot then :)


--
Cheers, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-25 13:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-18 19:51 [PATCH 0/3] proc,security,selinux: let SELinux block FOLL_FORCE for /proc/self/mem Jann Horn
2026-08-18 19:51 ` [PATCH 1/3] proc: refactor /proc/$pid/mem to use struct as private_data Jann Horn
2026-08-20 11:20   ` Jan Kara
2026-08-20 17:18   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-21 18:34   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-18 19:51 ` [PATCH 2/3] proc: query LSMs for introspective mem access (if PROC_MEM_FORCE_ALWAYS) Jann Horn
2026-08-20 17:22   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-20 18:44     ` Jann Horn
2026-08-21 14:18       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-21 14:48         ` Jann Horn
2026-08-21 18:52           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-24 17:06             ` Jann Horn
2026-08-24 17:32               ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-24 17:43                 ` Jann Horn
2026-08-25 13:42                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-08-25 14:08                     ` Jann Horn
2026-08-25 14:24                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-25 15:00                         ` Jann Horn
2026-08-26 13:05                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-21 19:00   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-24 17:28     ` Jann Horn
2026-08-25 14:02       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-25 13:13   ` Christian Brauner
2026-08-25 13:46     ` Jann Horn
2026-08-26 10:26       ` Christian Brauner
2026-08-25 13:19   ` Christian Brauner
2026-08-25 14:00     ` Jann Horn
2026-08-26 10:29       ` Christian Brauner
2026-08-26 13:01         ` Christian Brauner
2026-08-26 16:17           ` Jann Horn
2026-08-18 19:51 ` [PATCH 3/3] selinux: require EXECMEM or PTRACE for FOLL_FORCE introspection Jann Horn
2026-08-19 14:54   ` Stephen Smalley
2026-08-20 15:23     ` Jann Horn
2026-08-21 13:52       ` Stephen Smalley
2026-08-21 15:07         ` Jann Horn
2026-08-21 18:56   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-24 17:17     ` Jann Horn

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