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From: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
To: Xin Chen <xin.chen2@oss.qualcomm.com>
Cc: jirislaby@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, liulzhao@qti.qualcomm.com,
	cheng.jiang@oss.qualcomm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] tty: n_tty: use kvzalloc/kvfree for line discipline data
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2026 08:34:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2026081814-sash-sandbag-6e11@gregkh> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <066081a1-e644-4b01-86c5-e5ab908a7754@oss.qualcomm.com>

On Tue, Aug 18, 2026 at 02:02:43PM +0800, Xin Chen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2026, Greg KH wrote:
> > Also, you are papering over the real problem here.  If this one
> > allocation is failing, what keeps the next one from failing and then
> > the skb will not be able to be allocated?
> 
> The key difference is allocation size and allocator behavior.
> vzalloc() always allocates page-by-page from the buddy order-0 free
> list, so two back-to-back vzalloc() calls for ~10 KB each consume
> ~5 order-0 pages each, transiently depleting the order-0 free list.
> kvzalloc() serves the same ~10 KB from the kmalloc-16384 slab, which
> is backed by order-2 compound pages — a completely separate pool from
> the order-0 pages that skb_clone(GFP_KERNEL) needs. So switching to
> kvzalloc() eliminates the interference between n_tty_open() and
> skb_clone().

But that's not a problem with the tty layer, if something else happens
to "drain" the pool again you can not create a skb.  You are not solving
the root problem here.

> > Why is the system so out of memory in this slab that this is
> > happening?  What changed in the tty layer to cause this?  Or did it
> > happen elsewhere?
> 
> Nothing changed recently in the tty layer. vzalloc() has been used
> here since commit ebec3f8f5271 ("n_tty: Access echo_* variables
> carefully.", 2018), which replaced vmalloc() with vzalloc().

But that's not really a change, when was vmalloc() first used?

As nothing has changed here, then why is this suddenly showing up now?

> The
> issue surfaces only when serdev_device_open() is called multiple times
> in quick succession (as happens during BT UART transport init),
> triggering multiple n_tty_open() calls back-to-back. Each vzalloc()
> drains order-0 pages, and the window where skb_clone() fails is
> narrow but reproducible under this specific pattern. It was found
> during a BT enable-disable sanity test that repeatedly cycles BT on
> and off, which consistently triggers the back-to-back n_tty_open()
> calls that expose the issue.

Again, that sounds like a bluetooth issue, and why can't you just
properly handle the skb out of memory issue?

This feels like papering over the real problem.

> > And no cc: stable or Fixes: tag?
> 
> Both will be added in v2:
> 
>   Fixes: ebec3f8f5271 ("n_tty: Access echo_* variables carefully.")

No, that did not change the behavior of the tty call here to use a
different pool, all it did was change the zeroing out of the buffer
allocated.

thanks,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-18  6:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-17 13:55 [PATCH v1] tty: n_tty: use kvzalloc/kvfree for line discipline data Xin Chen
2026-08-17 14:14 ` Greg KH
2026-08-18  3:09   ` Xin Chen
2026-08-18  6:05     ` Greg KH
2026-08-18  6:22       ` Xin Chen
2026-08-17 14:16 ` Greg KH
2026-08-17 14:49   ` Greg KH
2026-08-18  6:02     ` Xin Chen
2026-08-18  6:34       ` Greg KH [this message]
2026-08-18  6:58         ` Xin Chen
2026-08-18  7:34           ` Greg KH
2026-08-18  3:31   ` Xin Chen
2026-08-18  6:07     ` Greg KH
2026-08-18  6:39       ` Xin Chen
2026-08-18  7:03 ` [PATCH v2] " Xin Chen
2026-08-18  7:15   ` Jiri Slaby
2026-08-18  7:23     ` Xin Chen

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