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From: Greg Louis <glouis@dynamicro.on.ca>
To: linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:21:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060104132139.GA5753@athame.dynamicro.on.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1136364634.22598.70.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On 20060104 (Wed) at 0850:34 +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Mer, 2006-01-04 at 03:51 +0100, Tomasz K??oczko wrote:
> > Be compliant with OSS specyfication allow save many time on applications 
> > development level by consume (in good sense) time spend on this 
> > applications by *BSD, Solaris and other systems developers (even on not 
> > open source applications).
> 
> Both Solaris and FreeBSD contain Linux emulation code so in that sense
> they admitted 'defeat' long ago.
> 
> > valuable functionalities in usable/simpler form for joe-like users .. 
> > remember: sound support in Linux isn't for data centers/big-ass-machines :)
> 
> And distributions nowdays ship with ALSA by default, which is giving
> users far better audio timing behaviour, mixing they want, digital and
> analogue 5.1 outputs. OSS really isn't ideal for serious "end user"
> applications like video playback
> 
Ok, so I'm not serious :) just wanna do fairly standard audio things.

- ALSA doesn't (AFAIK, haven't checked for a few months) support my old
  Audiotrix sound card -- bye, machine 1
- ALSA can't be persuaded (not by me, anyway) to drive my VIA
  ac97_codec onboard sound hardware -- everything works fine except
  unmuting ;) -- bye, machine 2
- ALSA does suport my i810_audio ac97_codec laptop, but so does OSS,
  equally well (for my unsophisticated needs) and with a far less
  elephantine footprint in memory. -- strike 3, ALSA out.

So even if sound support in Linux _is_ for "big-ass" studio work, it
would be nice if little guys didn't get abandoned along the way, IMHO.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-04 13:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 263+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-26 15:08 [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 15:41 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-26 15:46   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 15:41 ` Thomas Sailer
2005-07-26 15:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-07-26 16:04   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:49   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-26 17:49     ` John W. Linville
2005-07-26 15:51 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-26 15:57   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-07-26 16:02     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-27 18:24     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-27 20:31       ` John W. Linville
2005-07-27 20:43         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-07-28 13:44           ` Alan Cox
2005-07-28 13:43             ` Jaroslav Kysela
2005-07-28 14:15               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:30   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:17 ` Andrew Haninger
2005-07-31 19:29   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-26 16:27 ` Zach Brown
2005-07-26 21:41   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-26 23:38   ` Zoran Dzelajlija
2005-07-27 23:28     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-27 23:58       ` Rogério Brito
2005-07-28  8:09     ` Takashi Iwai
2005-07-31 19:36     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-27 18:39 ` Kyle McMartin
2005-07-28  3:01   ` [parisc-linux] Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers Randolph Chung
2005-07-28 14:14   ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Adrian Bunk
2005-07-28 15:04 ` Thorsten Knabe
2005-07-28 15:46   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-28 18:33   ` [Alsa-devel] Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for Lee Revell
2005-07-29  6:52   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2005-07-29 15:16     ` [Alsa-devel] Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Adrian Bunk
2005-07-29 15:58     ` [Alsa-devel] Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for Thorsten Knabe
2005-07-31 19:39       ` [Alsa-devel] Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Adrian Bunk
2005-08-01 14:26         ` Andrew Haninger
2005-08-02  0:13           ` [Alsa-devel] Re: [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for Thorsten Knabe
2005-08-02  5:05             ` Lee Revell
2005-08-02 15:55             ` Thorsten Knabe
2005-07-29 15:32 ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal (version 2) Adrian Bunk
2005-08-09 17:13   ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal (version Lee Revell
2005-08-09 17:49     ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal (version 2) Adrian Bunk
2005-08-09 17:54       ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal (version Lee Revell
2005-08-12 19:58       ` Lee Revell
2005-08-14 11:00         ` [2.6 patch] schedule OSS USB drivers for removal Adrian Bunk
2005-07-31 13:38 ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS " James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-03 13:21 ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-03 13:47   ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 13:52     ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-03 13:58       ` David Lang
2006-01-03 14:33         ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 14:34           ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 14:01       ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 18:24       ` Lee Revell
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1136300646.6679.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2006-01-04 11:13         ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-04 11:16           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-03 14:38     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-03 14:41       ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 14:50         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-03 15:22           ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 16:05             ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-03 16:29               ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 17:03                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 17:16                   ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-03 19:24                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 19:37                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 21:40                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 23:10                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  0:33                           ` Thomas Sailer
2006-01-04  1:48                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-04  9:03                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-04  9:37                           ` [OT] ALSA userspace API complexity Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-06  2:19                             ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-08  1:30                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-08  9:24                               ` [Alsa-devel] " Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-08 22:47                                 ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10 10:51                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-09 13:05                                 ` René Rebe
2006-01-09 15:10                                   ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-09 17:12                                     ` René Rebe
2006-01-09 21:58                                       ` David Lang
2006-01-09 23:20                                         ` John Rigg
2006-01-09 23:21                                           ` David Lang
2006-01-10  0:16                                             ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  0:29                                               ` David Lang
2006-01-10  0:44                                                 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-10  1:56                                                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-10  1:27                                                 ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  0:53                                               ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  0:48                                           ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10  1:51                                             ` John Rigg
2006-01-10  2:17                                               ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10 14:05                                 ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10 14:17                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 14:39                                     ` Adam Tlałka
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.1136368805.14661.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2006-01-04 11:00                             ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-04 11:35                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-04 11:47                                 ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-01-04 14:23                                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-05 11:41                                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-05 12:01                                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-05 12:23                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-05 14:21                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-05 14:56                                       ` [parisc-linux] " Alan Cox
2006-01-05 21:14                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 15:07                                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-05 16:14                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-05 17:19                                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:13                                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-07 14:32                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-08  2:03                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-08  2:26                                               ` Martin Drab
2006-01-08 13:21                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-08 13:32                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-08 23:18                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-09  0:33                                                     ` [Alsa-devel] " Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-09 12:24                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-09 17:49                                                   ` Thierry Vignaud
2006-01-08  9:42                                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-08 13:04                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-08 13:23                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-08 13:38                                                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-09  0:30                                                 ` [Alsa-devel] " Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-05 23:06                                         ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-05 23:39                                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:56                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  0:03                                               ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:40                                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:59                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06 15:03                                               ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-06 15:48                                                 ` Erik Mouw
2006-01-06 18:37                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-10  9:43                                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 13:42                                                 ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10 14:08                                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 14:17                                                     ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10 20:13                                                     ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  0:14                                             ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  0:29                                               ` Martin Drab
2006-01-06  0:57                                                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  1:49                                                   ` Martin Drab
2006-01-06  1:21                                               ` Zan Lynx
2006-01-06 15:17                                                 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-06  3:14                                           ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-06  3:33                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06 11:34                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-06  7:47                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-07 14:45                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-05 18:56                                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 22:39                                       ` Joern Nettingsmeier
2006-01-05 23:44                                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-05 23:49                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-06  0:22                                           ` Joern Nettingsmeier
2006-01-06  1:30                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-06  2:20                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-10  9:54                                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-10 13:50                                                 ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  0:00                                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 12:47                                   ` Leonard Milcin Jr.
2006-01-04 12:13                           ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal Joern Nettingsmeier
2006-01-04 12:35                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-04 12:41                               ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-04 17:31                                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-04 17:48                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-05  6:42                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-03 18:28                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-03 20:22                   ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-03 20:37                     ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-03 20:44                       ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-03 20:56                         ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-03 21:56                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 22:11                             ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-04 11:46                               ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-04 14:46                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-04 16:43                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 10:57                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 12:44                                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 18:33                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:03                                           ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:05                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:18                                               ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:28                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:32                                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 20:39                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:32                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:54                                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 21:01                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 21:43                                                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-05 21:47                                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 23:35                                                     ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-06  0:04                                                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-06  0:08                                                         ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-06  1:36                                                         ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  9:54                                                           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-06 13:37                                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06 10:34                                                           ` Gabor Gombas
2006-01-06 12:48                                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-07 14:09                                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-07 14:57                                                             ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-08  0:21                                                             ` Hannu Savolainen
2006-01-06  2:40                                             ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-06 14:57                                               ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-06 20:26                                                 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2006-01-07  0:40                                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-07  0:56                                                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-04 20:12                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-04 22:25                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-01-03 22:13                             ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-03 23:10                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-03 23:51                                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  0:03                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-04  0:46                                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  1:01                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-04  2:51                                         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  8:50                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-01-04 13:21                                             ` Greg Louis [this message]
2006-01-04 14:41                                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-04 10:37                                           ` tapas
2006-01-04 17:28                                             ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-05  7:14                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-04 17:54                                             ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-04 18:17                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-04 19:28                                                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2006-01-04 19:52                                                   ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-05  7:11                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 11:15                                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2006-01-05 21:20                                                   ` Jim Crilly
2006-01-05  7:11                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 19:09                                                   ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-05 19:29                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:19                                                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 21:05                                                         ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-05 21:10                                                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 20:24                                                       ` Edgar Toernig
2006-01-05 20:29                                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05  7:16                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 11:43                                               ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-05 17:48                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-08 21:07                                                   ` Ville Herva
2006-01-08 21:44                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09  8:16                                                       ` Ville Herva
2006-01-09 13:52                                                         ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 14:22                                                           ` Ville Herva
2006-01-09 15:18                                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-09 16:21                                                               ` Ville Herva
2006-01-09 16:22                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 18:36                                                 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 18:47                                                   ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-01-05 19:10                                                     ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05 19:15                                                   ` Florian Schmidt
2006-01-04  0:28                                   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-04  1:38                                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2006-01-04  9:48                                       ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-05  3:03                                         ` Peter Bortas
2006-01-05  7:13                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05  7:19                                             ` Lee Revell
2006-01-05  8:41                                               ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-01-05  9:57                                             ` Peter Bortas
2006-01-03 17:09             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-04 18:53 ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal, 3rd round Adrian Bunk
2007-01-04 21:31   ` [2.6 patch] schedule obsolete OSS drivers for removal, 3rd Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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