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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Jiri Olsa <olsajiri@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] x86/alternatives: Merge first and second step in text_poke_bp_batch
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 10:36:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250114103604.7388352c@gandalf.local.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z4Z1MoJV0WW-vIHp@krava>

On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 15:31:14 +0100
Jiri Olsa <olsajiri@gmail.com> wrote:

> > IIRC this is the magic recipe blessed by both Intel and AMD, and
> > if we're going to be changing this I would want both vendors to sign off
> > on that.  
> 
> ok

Right. In fact Intel wouldn't sign off on this recipe for a few years. We
actually added to the kernel before they gave their full blessing. I got a
"wink, it should work" from them but they wouldn't officially say so ;-)

But a lot of it has to do with all the magic of the CPU. They have always
allowed writing the one byte int3. I figured, if I could write that one
byte int3 then run a sync on all CPUs where all CPUs see that change, then
nothing should ever care about the other 4 bytes after that int3 (a sync
was already done). Then change the 4 bytes and sync again.

I doubt the int3 plus the 4 byte change would work, as was mentioned if the
other 4 bytes were on another cache line, another CPU could read the first
set of bytes without the int3 and the second set of bytes with the update
and go boom!

This dance was to make sure everything sees everything properly. I gave a
talk about this at Kernel-Recipes in 2019:

  https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/kernel-recipes-2019-ftrace-where-modifying-a-running-kernel-all-started/177509633#44

-- Steve
 

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-14 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-14 14:02 [RFC] x86/alternatives: Merge first and second step in text_poke_bp_batch Jiri Olsa
2025-01-14 14:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-14 14:31   ` Jiri Olsa
2025-01-14 15:36     ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2025-01-15 18:26       ` Jiri Olsa
2025-01-14 14:38 ` David Laight
2025-01-16 11:48   ` Jiri Olsa
2025-01-16  5:57 ` Masami Hiramatsu

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