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From: Mario Limonciello <mario.limonciello@amd.com>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	Shyam Sundar S K <Shyam-sundar.S-k@amd.com>,
	"open list:X86 PLATFORM DRIVERS"
	<platform-driver-x86@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:PCI SUBSYSTEM" <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	"open list:USB XHCI DRIVER" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	iain@orangesquash.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH v18 2/2] PCI: Add a quirk for AMD PCIe root ports w/ USB4 controllers
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 16:16:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <001d9c72-49df-4a8d-a9bd-10311887c60d@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230913210543.GA440503@bhelgaas>

On 9/13/2023 16:05, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
[cut]
>>> I expect it to be an ongoing issue.  I also expect unless we use
>>> constraints or convince the firmware team to add a _S0W object with a
>>> value of "0" for the sake of Linux that we will be adding IDs every year
>>> to wherever this lands as we reproduce it on newer SoCs.
>>
>> So maybe the way to go is to make the AMD PMC driver set a flag for
>> Root Ports on suspend or similar.
> 
> I like the quirk approach.  When PMC is involved, the device behavior
> doesn't conform to what it advertised via PME_Support.
> 
> The v18 quirk isn't connected to PMC at all, so IIUC it avoids
> D3hot/D3cold unnecessarily when amd/pmc is not loaded.
> 

Technically someone could; but realistically no one will be using these 
machines without amd-pmc.

The battery life over suspend would be abhorrent.

> I don't object to avoiding D3hot/D3cold unconditionally.  Presumably
> we *could* save a little power by using them when amd/pci isn't
> loaded, but amd/pci would have to iterate through all PCI devices when
> it loads, save previous state, do the quirk, and then restore the
> previous state on module unload.  And it would have to use notifiers
> or assume no Root Port hotplug.  All sounds kind of complicated.
> 

Yeah this does sound needlessly complicated.

> Maybe it would even be enough to just clear dev->pme_support so we
> know wakeups don't work.  It would be a pretty big benefit if we
> didn't have to add another bit and complicate pci_prepare_to_sleep()
> or pci_target_state().
> 

I don't think clearing PME support entirely is going to help.  The 
reason is that pci_target_state() will fall back to PCI_D3hot when 
dev->pme_support is fully cleared.

I think that clearing *just the bits* for D3hot and D3cold in PME 
support should work though.  I'll test this.

Assuming it works how about if we put the quirk to clear the 
D3hot/D3cold PME support bit in drivers/platform/x86/amd/pmc/pmc-quirks.c?

It's still a quirk file and it makes it very clear that this behavior is 
caused by what amd-pmc does.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-13 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-13  4:08 [PATCH v18 0/2] Add quirk for PCIe root port on AMD systems Mario Limonciello
2023-09-13  4:08 ` [PATCH v18 1/2] PCI: Move the `PCI_CLASS_SERIAL_USB_USB4` definition to common header Mario Limonciello
2023-09-13 10:34   ` Mika Westerberg
2023-09-13  4:08 ` [PATCH v18 2/2] PCI: Add a quirk for AMD PCIe root ports w/ USB4 controllers Mario Limonciello
2023-09-13  4:25   ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-13  4:43     ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-13  8:14       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-09-13 14:31       ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-13 16:36         ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-14 14:17           ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-14 14:31             ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-14 14:53               ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-14 15:33                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-09-14 16:05                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-09-14 19:04                   ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-14 19:09                     ` Lukas Wunner
2023-09-13  9:56   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-13 10:17   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-13 10:20   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-09-13 15:40     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-09-13 16:35       ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-13 17:42         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-09-13 21:05           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-09-13 21:16             ` Mario Limonciello [this message]
2023-09-14  4:59               ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-14 12:32                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-09-14 13:57                   ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-15  0:55                 ` Mario Limonciello
2023-09-15  1:24                   ` Bjorn Helgaas

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