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From: Mathias Nyman <mathias.nyman@linux.intel.com>
To: Michal Pecio <michal.pecio@gmail.com>
Cc: dylan_robinson@motu.com, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	mathias.nyman@intel.com, stern@rowland.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [RFT PATCH] xhci: fix frame id calculation for isoc transfer
Date: Wed, 13 May 2026 17:30:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85f8441d-d6c0-4607-9269-d80b1294afbd@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260512110810.17fbde0a.michal.pecio@gmail.com>

On 5/12/26 12:08, Michal Pecio wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2026 22:21:05 +0300, Mathias Nyman wrote:
>> Always calculate estimated start frame, and set urb->start_frame
> 
> This may cause driver developers lots of grey hair when running on old
> (non-CFC, xHCI 1.0, USB 3.0, "gen 1") HCs where nothing is done to
> enforce frame number correctness so far.
> 
> Writing obviously bogus urb->start_frame at least was obvious :)

v2 writes the TRB frame id field of the first TD of the first URB
for older non-CFC hosts as well. So urb->start_frame should be
quite accurate. Its probably more off if URB_ISO_ASAP is set.

> 
>> Fix valid frame window start and end calculation to match xhci
>> spec 4.11.2.5
>>
>> Don't inclease frame id with 1 if a URB mod transfer is queued late.
>> Queue it with next expected frame ID but print a message if URB is
>> next expected frame id does not fir valid frame window range (URB mid
>> transfer is queued late)
> 
> Failing to meet the IST is not the same as violating the 895ms limit.
> The former may (or may not) cause the TD to complete with MSE instead
> of Success in its interval. The latter is apparently supposed to cause
> MSE completion when the HC reads the TD, even though the IST was met.
> 
> A particularly fascinating case is period > 895ms; it seems that xHCI
> only allows submitting shortly before interval boundary, or "SIA".
> 
> Another nice one is ESIT >= 4096ms - exceeding MFINDEX limit.
> 
> That being said, I found that validating end_frame_id before enqueuing
> doesn't take more effort than generating these warnings, and I think it
> would be more productive - drivers know that their submission is lost
> cause, instead of getting bizarre completions later.

Added last frame of urb < +895ms to v2

But only for urbs mid stream, and only print a message if check fails.
queue it anyways

> 
> As for ignoring the IST, my ASMedia chips seem to take it well. And
> they specify absurdly long IST of 2ms, while actually running with
> 3x0.5ms URBs or less. The "less" tends to be glitchy, but I'm not yet
> sure if it's xHCI problem or snd-usb-audio / other software problem.

I think it makes sense to only enforce IST for the very first URB when
starting the endpoint.

Otherwise just print a debug message so that class driver developers
can notice they use more URBs, queue them sooner, or both.

My v2 is a bit cleaner, fixed a missing "% MAX_UFRAME", and is split
into 2 patches.
Can be found in my fix_frame_id branch:

git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mnyman/xhci.git fix_frame_id
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mnyman/xhci.git/log/?h=fix_frame_id

-Mathias



  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-13 14:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-04 21:25 [Bug 220748] New: usb: xhci_queue_isoc_tx_prepare ignore start_frame and always assumes URB_ISO_ASAP is set bugzilla-daemon
2025-11-05  8:40 ` [Bug 220748] " bugzilla-daemon
2025-11-05  8:48 ` bugzilla-daemon
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2025-11-06 15:03 ` bugzilla-daemon
2025-11-08 10:33 ` bugzilla-daemon
2025-11-08 16:09 ` bugzilla-daemon
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2025-11-10 10:42 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-04 23:53 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-04 23:54 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-05  1:14 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-05  9:59 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-05 17:09 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-05 17:10 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-05 17:10 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-05 17:13 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-06 13:32 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-06 15:03 ` bugzilla-daemon
2026-05-07  2:38   ` Alan Stern
2026-05-07 16:17     ` Dylan Robinson
2026-05-07 17:24       ` Alan Stern
2026-05-07 21:16         ` Dylan Robinson
2026-05-08  3:02           ` Alan Stern
2026-05-08 17:20             ` Dylan Robinson
2026-05-09  1:25               ` Alan Stern
2026-05-09 22:12               ` Michal Pecio
2026-05-10 12:39                 ` Dylan Robinson
2026-05-11 19:21                   ` [RFT PATCH] xhci: fix frame id calculation for isoc transfer Mathias Nyman
2026-05-11 19:36                     ` Mathias Nyman
2026-05-12  9:08                     ` Michal Pecio
2026-05-13 14:30                       ` Mathias Nyman [this message]
2026-05-13 14:35                         ` [RFT PATCHv2 1/2] xhci: fix frame id calculation and checks for isoc URBs Mathias Nyman
2026-05-13 14:35                           ` [RFT PATCHv2 2/2] xhci: Set frame ID field of isoc TRB when starting an isoch stream Mathias Nyman
2026-05-07 21:54       ` [Bug 220748] usb: xhci_queue_isoc_tx_prepare ignore start_frame and always assumes URB_ISO_ASAP is set Michal Pecio
2026-05-08  3:09         ` Alan Stern
2026-05-08  9:41           ` Michal Pecio
2026-05-08 14:54             ` Alan Stern
2026-05-08 21:39         ` Dylan Robinson
2026-05-09 11:10           ` Michal Pecio
2026-05-09 20:18             ` Dylan Robinson
2026-05-11 19:15 ` bugzilla-daemon

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